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How can that much stuff all be illegal?
Now that is a bit a silly question or what ;)
I think that virtually everything could be illegal if you want to!
 

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Well yeah but this means that MV/forward racing are systematically breaking the rules on an industrial scale. Did they not think they'd get caught?

I'm guessing the items were blueprinted. Prob for reliability. Ish.

No mention of Cluzels bike? Or did they get it in the truck before it could be inspected?
 

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You can't hide it Jono, the motors are sealed, if they pick your number they will check no matter what. It doesn't take much to break the new rules. Who knows, factory engineering mistake, parts mixup ?
The worry is that this work was probably done during the weekend.
 

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I might be wrong but I'm guessing there's only 1 head, 1 crank and 1 gearbox in production for the F3 so the chances of someone picking the wrong parts when they built the motor seem low. So either they were using modded parts deliberately or perhaps they 'accidentally' used last years hot parts that are illegal under the new rules. I couldn't find the current rules anywhere online and I probably wouldn't understand them anyway so who knows? Apart from the scrutineers.:spank:
 

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I might be wrong but I'm guessing there's only 1 head, 1 crank and 1 gearbox in production for the F3 so the chances of someone picking the wrong parts when they built the motor seem low. So either they were using modded parts deliberately or perhaps they 'accidentally' used last years hot parts that are illegal under the new rules. I couldn't find the current rules anywhere online and I probably wouldn't understand them anyway so who knows? Apart from the scrutineers.:spank:
I'm struggling to find an English addition of the story around Zanneti's disqualification, anybody have a link ?

Anyway, back to what you said Jono, even though the rules prescribe some parts are to remain "standard", there are certain thing the teams can still do to those parts, within certain guide lines. Believe me when I say the standard motor in that F3 is very different to the one on the showroom floor.
If engineering overstepped some of these rules than this could be the problem. So yes, maybe last years parts found their way into his bike, but mechanically there was almost no rule change compared to this year.
 

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I'm struggling to find an English addition of the story around Zanneti's disqualification, anybody have a link ?

Anyway, back to what you said Jono, even though the rules prescribe some parts are to remain "standard", there are certain thing the teams can still do to those parts, within certain guide lines. Believe me when I say the standard motor in that F3 is very different to the one on the showroom floor.
If engineering overstepped some of these rules than this could be the problem. So yes, maybe last years parts found their way into his bike, but mechanically there was almost no rule change compared to this year.
If you go here Donsy the first page shows he was DQ'ed and the second page shows the rules that were broken.

http://resources.worldsbk.com/files/results/2016/ITA1/SSP/101/CLA/Results.pdf?version=c81e728d9d4c2f636f067f89cc14862c

These are the rules broken (a ton a shit they could have done):

2.5.8.2 Cylinder head
Cylinder head must be as homologated. The following modifications are
allowed:
a) Porting and polishing of the cylinder head normally associated with
individual tuning such as gas flowing of the cylinder head, including the
combustion chamber is allowed. Welding is not allowed. No machining
or modification is allowed in the cam box / valve mechanism area.
b) Modifications of the inlet and exhaust ports by taking off or adding
material (welding is forbidden) epoxy may be used to shape the ports.
c) Surface grinding of the cylinder head surface on the head gasket side.
d) Original homologated valves guides may be cut or modified, but only on the intake or exhaust port side
e) Polishing of the combustion chamber
f) Original valve seats must be used, but modifications are allowed to the shape
g) Compression ratio is free, but the combustion chamber may be modified
only by taking material off.
h) It is forbidden to add any material to the cylinder head unless as described above.
i) Rocker arms (if any) must remain as homologated.
j) The valves must remain as homologated.
k) Valve springs may be changed but the number must remain as
homologated.
l) Valve spring retainers may be replaced or modified, but their weight
must be the same as, or higher than, the original ones.
m) The shim buckets / tappets must remain as homologated


2.5.8.10 Crankshaft
a) Crankshaft must remain as homologated without any modification.
b) Polishing and lightening is not allowed.
c) Modifications of the flywheels are not allowed.



107 update 23 January 2016
SS
2.5.8.12 Transmission / Gearbox
a) Only one (1) set of gear ratios will be allowed for the whole season.
These ratios can be freely chosen.
b) The team must declare the gearbox ratios before the first event.
c) The gear design and material is free.
d) It will not be allowed to change the gearboxes at the track - a broken
Gearbox will equal a broken engine.
e) The number of gears must remain as homologated.
f) Primary gears must remain as homologated.
g) Quick-shift systems are allowed.
h) The layout of the transmission shafts must be the same as on the
homologated motorcycle and only the material and the ratios can be
changed.
i) The shift drum must remain as homologated but may be polished or
surface treated.
j) The selector forks may be changed. However the forks must engage with
the same gears and function in the same way as on the homologated
motorcycle.
k) Countershaft sprocket, rear wheel sprocket, chain pitch and size may be
changed.
l) Chain guard as long as it is not incorporated in the rear fender may be
removed.


2.5.9.1 Electrics and electronics
a) The ECU must be from the FIM approved Superstock 600* (Supersport
Version) Kit** ECU list. (It may have a different part number with
ONLY different RPM and base ign/fuel maps to match Supersport
regulations. It must be the same physical ECU, use the same calibration
software, be directly exchangeable and operate in the same manner.
The component prices must remain the same. The price limit cannot
be summed with any other components.
* For Stock 600 the combined retail price of the full system including
software, tuning tool, adjustments / connection cable any activations,
upgrades wiring harnesses and extra (or replaced) sensors required
for strategies must be less than € 2500 (tax excluded from at least
one supplier in Europe and one in the USA).
** The Kit ECU must be generally available around the world through
the Manufacturers existing retail or race dealers/distributors and
can only be submitted for approval by the motorcycle manufacturer
or its official subsidiary. It may be for race use only, its purchase
cannot be restricted.
b) The software and the firmware must be supplied and approved by
the machines manufacturer.
c) The manufacturer must provide the FIM with the tools/software to
perform software checks.
d) Throughout the season the manufacturer may update the software
and the updates must be made available to all users of the system
with no charge.
e) Optional equipment sold by the motorcycle Manufacturer for the
homologated model is considered not homologated with the bike and
must follow the requirements for approved electronics/data loggers.
f) The following strategies are NOT allowed:
a) Traction control (including anti-spin / rate of change of rpm)
b) Launch Control
c) Anti Wheelie
d) Closed loop Engine Brake Control
e) Corner by Corner / Distance based adjustments
f) Rider adjusted trims
Note: The allowed strategies list will be revised each season and amended
when either the majority of machines competing as permanent entries in
the World Supersport Championship are supplied as original equipment
with those strategies or when the majority decision of the MSMA
members with machines actively competing in the World Supersport
Championship agree their use.
g) A (map) mode switch is allowed, it may change or trim the main fuel
table and/or ignition table. An Engine brake mode switch is allowed,
it may switch between engine brake settings. These may only switch
to one optional setting.
h) External quickshift modules may be fitted, interrupting ignition,
injectors or providing a signal to the ECU. It must be from the list of
approved quickshifters cannot exceed €750 (tax excluded). It may
not perform any other function than ‘quickshifting’.
i) External fuel control modules (with lambda sensor) may be added, it
must be from the list of approved modules. It may not perform any
other function including but not limited to adjusting ignition timing.
j) No other external modules may be fitted.
k) Central unit (ECU) may be relocated.
l) During an event the Technical Director has the right to ask a team
to substitute their ECU or external module with the sample received
from the Manufacturer. The change has to be done before Sunday
warm up.
m) To be approved, samples of the ECU kits, kit harnesses and external
modules with their tuning tools must be sent by the Manufacturers
to the FIM Technical Director at least 3 weeks before the beginning
of the Championship, with technical data and selling price.
 

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Yup, I've seen that, but it's such a broad scope of what they might have done.
Except for the crank, with that the rules are very clear.

So I imagine all the MV's will now be watched very closely.
 

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I can see how there's room for 'interpretation' in there. I suppose everyone pushes it as far as they think they can get away with and crosses their fingers. Just like in every other form of Motorsport.
 

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I find it interesting that there's a spending limit on the ECU, software, wiring etc of €2500. As long as everything meets the inspection criteria , why would the price matter?
 

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It's to limit data gathering/control, how else do you achieve a certain/specific criteria without limiting the means of obtaining that criteria.
Ok, thank you
 

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As I understand from the MV Team they are testing a new gearbox and gears plus other new parts .

the electronics for this year is hurting MV cluzel and zanetti cant get the power down mid corner as the bike is powersliding..it has been a frustrating year adapting to the new electronic rules as last years electronic package favoured MV hence why they did well..this year the riders don't know how to fix it

currently they are on a mactronic ECU..there could be a switch next year to motec.
 
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