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So the original F4 design ran from 1998 to 2009 (12 years), and the original Brutale has now run from 2001-2014 (14 years). So, when will it be replaced. Surely, Adrian Morton has sketched some thoughts in his mind.

So, when? And what do you expect?
 

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Have you heard, they're making a B3.

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So, you think they'll let the B4 go on unchanged until diminishing interest causes it to die on the vine?
 

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Not sure why they would continue making it. The performance of the B3 is similar and what is the point of making two models so close?

I have no idea of their plans, but from a production standpoint it makes sense to let one go, from the look of things the B3's are selling as fast as they make them (locally anyway). The expansion of the line built around the 3 cylinder motor looks pretty substantial. F3, F3800, B3, B3800, Dragster, Rivale, Turismo, all using a similar power plant, maybe they'll just make a RR B4, and call it a day.

Survival will be following what actually sells.

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The B4 changed to B5 in 2010. Imho no small changes - similar to the F4.
 

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The B3 has replaced all the Brutale's apart from the 1090 which i think is a good thing as it was more than a little confusing knowing the difference.
The B3 is still a distinctive Brutale design so it's not like it's made the B4 look out of date, I'd guess they'll make small technological updates to the 1090 as they bring them on in their other models, other than that it'll stay the same?
 

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Not sure why they would continue making it. The performance of the B3 is similar and what is the point of making two models so close?
Have you ridden a 1090RR ? Not much similarity between that and the B3 800 from where I was sitting.:wtf:
 

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Giovanni has stated all along that they will continue to develop the 4 cylinder models along with the 3 cylinder models. I am betting that the B4 will be the next to get upgrades. The B4 is the only model not using the new Eldor ECU so it should at least get that. I don't see why they wouldn't keep it around as it's performance is vastly more than the B3.
 

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Its face does need an update though. The headlight shape is ancient! Even the B3 copied the old bulbous headlight.
 

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I also think they will put in the Eldor ECU with all these riding adjustments you can choose from.
And I think they will come back with a black engine & blacked out wheels.......
 

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Have you ridden a 1090RR ? Not much similarity between that and the B3 800 from where I was sitting.:wtf:
....your not wrong Donsy......maybe a test ride back to back might shed some light.....

.....and just to answer the questions, the 1090RR was an 85% new bike when it was released, virtually no parts are inter-changable with earlier models, so I was wondering......how new do you want?????

:brutale::brutale::brutale::brutale::brutale::brutale::brutale:
 

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I think the only thing they will do is give it more power(doesn't need it) and the only reason is to keep pace with KTM and BMW.
 

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I don't think MV have ever been concerned about competition, there's more to buying an MV than just dyno figures isn't there?

No, I should think the likes of Kawasaki and Honda have more to worry about by BMW, European bikes seem to hold a greater kudos than jap bikes, in the past that was ok because they were more expensive but the BMW has bucked that tread.

As for the looks, they calmed down the cyborg looks of the old K1300r and I quite like the RR, it's distinctively BMW, and I like that?
 

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I don't think MV have ever been concerned about competition...
:jsm: Tell me a bike they've announced or introduced in the past two years that wasn't directly targeted at taking market share from Ducati? I think Giovanni has shown much more concern for building up the business and gaining market share than his father. I don't think that's a bad thing though, as long as quality doesn't suffer.
 

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When they are charging such a premium price the bike needs to be spot on and that doesn't just mean pretty.I understand the bike still suffers from poor fueling.
Would be great to see an updated version with more aggressive pricing - They are certainly in a better position now to do such a bike after sorting out the earlier RbW issues, maps etc.
Launched 2015?
 

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Yeah ok, I was referring to others outside of Italy :)
 
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