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I have been procrastinating starting this but with the direction that the 750/1000 comparison thread is going I thought I better get in now in the hope that it doesn't morph into an in depth tyre discussion as this topic deserves it's own thread and might be easier for future users to search for tyre related info.

So lets hear your experiences past and present for both road and/or track.

Brands, sizes, favourites, how they wore/handled...whatever you think might help.

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For 750's
Pirelli Diablo Corsas
65/120 front {70/120 for the 1000's}.....180 rear.

Perfect for hard road riding, work OK in the wet as well.
Good for the occasional trackday, excellent grip for this type of tire...wear fairly well, heat up fast.

The best tire for all round use.
 

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i haven't had any other tire than michelin pilot power on my evo2, and probably won't for a good while. they transmit so much confidence that i am not confident enough to switch to anything else. i have heard good things about diablo corsa's, but if you are happy where you are, then stay there IMHO. may try 180 rear one day.
 

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My thanks to Rockethouse for starting this new thread on tyres (if you'll excuse the pun) and my apologies for going off on a tangent with my 750 v 1000 thread. I mentioned I'd changed the Dunlops on my Evo III for Pilot Powers but didn't say what they were like. Well, if I use the phrase stuck to the road like s**t to a blanket, I think you will get the idea. :) I was more than a little impressed with them on the 750. Great feedback through the front hoop and when warm the back could be slid very predictably if you are so inclined.
 

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Original Pirelli Dragon Corsa were really crappy on my SPR, changed for a set of D208RR (120/65 - 180) that suit the bike very well.
I'm using my bike on back roads mainly and ride quite hard (unfortunatly not as hard as the bike could be with such tires) ;-)
 

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For me its all a confidence thing, its in the way the tyre/s deliver the subtle feedback thats so important. If you feel confident, your riding becomes more inspired, and you can get more and more from each ride...

Mine F4 runs Pilot Powers, and really they are so damn good, that they are the last thing I worry about when pushing the limits (read...my limits!) a bit, they are really one of the best, unless you go for Pilot Race....
 

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Well after being pulled over three times at Mt White on the sunday for a RBT (Random Breath Test) within 2 hours. Its time for me to get replacement tyres as one of the boys in blue made a comment on my rear tyres. Well they are doing their job, and by the third time they pull me over they know me by my first name!!!!

I'll be putting some Pilot powers as they are getting some great reviews. So for $450.00 fitted front and back sounds like cheap insurance.
 

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My bike originally came with pilot sports but since I've always had Powers on them, I've had dunlops and bridgestones on my other bikes but now all of them wear Powers.

The Powers are great for hard street riding and occasional trackdays, I find they have a very nice progressive feel and the grip they give up front is fantastic.
 

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Hmm the great debate, should I get 180x55 or 190x50 rear? Price is the same.

I've got 190x50 now with about 5mm of chicken strips on either side, twisty road riding only.

The thing is, if I check the manual, it states the rear should be 190/50 or 180/50?
 

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Try the 180, afterall if you don't like it you can always go back to the 190 rear. Did your bike come with the 190 standard? From memory I thought all the 750's that came to Aust had 180's fitted. I've never tried the 190 on mine, so I can't make judgement but if I had to get a new back hoop I'd be going for a 180 again though.
 

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Wow, didn't expect this thread to see the light of day again... :koolaid:



minime said:
Hmm the great debate, should I get 180x55 or 190x50 rear? Price is the same.

I've got 190x50 now with about 5mm of chicken strips on either side, twisty road riding only.

The thing is, if I check the manual, it states the rear should be 190/50 or 180/50?
Just went through this myself...I was lucky enough to try a new 180/55 and swap it out for the 190/50...first you won't have thosechicken strips on the 180 and the bike IMO handled much better with the 180/55 on it...the problem for me was that the 180 is not meant to be on a six inch rim and by stretching it out I was told the profile would be more like the 190 and that this stretching also compromised the contact patch (???). I ended up going back with the 190/50 (mostly out of not being sure about the size for the rim) but flickability was a lot easier with the 180.

I believe the 55 profile is the way to go and suggest you try the 190/55...If the pilot powers 2CT's 190/55 were available here in Aus they would be on the bike and if it wasn't winter when I changed them I would have probably given the Super Corsa's 190/55 (which is standard on th F$ and Brut now) a try.
 

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the SPR came with a 180/55 on MV stock rims (silver). i believe the ago came with a 180 as well. the taller sidewall gives you more contact patch on lean, which is where you want it. it's easliy wide enough for straights...especially with a 750.
 

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Rockethouse, well my 2000 model 750 has 6" rims, and they have 190/50 Super Corsa at the moment.

To be safe, I'll stick with the 190/50 as this is the orginal size that the bike came out with in Aussie (Paul Feeney).

I think the ORO had the option of 6" or 5.75" wide rims which allow 190/50 (6") or 180/50 (5.75") to be used as per manual.

I am not Rossi so I don't think I can really tell the difference when road riding in the twisties which is what I 90% of time do.

I don't think that we (in Australia) get the dual compound version 2CT of the pilot powers as the bike shop gave me that (WTF) are you talking about look.
 

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minime said:
Rockethouse, well my 2000 model 750 has 6" rims, and they have 190/50 Super Corsa at the moment.

To be safe, I'll stick with the 190/50 as this is the orginal size that the bike came out with in Aussie (Paul Feeney).

I think the ORO had the option of 6" or 5.75" wide rims which allow 190/50 (6") or 180/50 (5.75") to be used as per manual.

I am not Rossi so I don't think I can really tell the difference when road riding in the twisties which is what I 90% of time do.

I don't think that we (in Australia) get the dual compound version 2CT of the pilot powers as the bike shop gave me that (WTF) are you talking about look.
If you do twisties riding trust me, you will be able to tell the difference. If I had to make my decision again I'd probably go with the 180. The AMCN has a F4 1000 that they have on long term loan (12months) and are doing updates every couple of months (have you seen the articles?) and they put a 180 on the back and are much happier with it. I let a couple of people I know let the whole 6 inch 180 thing get to me but I don't think it's really an issue but as I said for my 1000 I will be going 190/55 on my next change...do whatever you are comfortable with as at the end of the day thats whats important. Check out the rear tyre thread also as that has some interesting reading in it. mikef4uk tried a 180 and went straight back and put a 190 back on and othes have done the opposite...personal preference.

Those 2CT's...yes I've seen those blank expressions...even from tyre specialists. They will get here....eventually.
 

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hmm so, if the SPR has a 6" rim with 180/55, so its good enough for me.
 

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style_one said:
the SPR came with a 180/55 on MV stock rims (silver). i believe the ago came with a 180 as well. the taller sidewall gives you more contact patch on lean, which is where you want it. it's easliy wide enough for straights...especially with a 750.
Ah yes but! the AGO had a 5.75 inch rear with a 180 fitted..

These are my preferences:

I tried a 180 on the rear of my 750, I thought it made the bike feel too solid at the rear and lacked feel, I p/x'd it back with the tyre shop for a 190.

A 180 will lift the rear of the bike up, hence the quicker turn in, the "maths" will prove this 190/50 = 95 mm high, 180/55=99mm high, also my tip toes said similar.

I have two sets of wheels, one with Powers, one with Diablo corsa, I went for the DC's because that was what I liked on the 750, the DC's have sat in the garage for the last three sets of Powers :) , they seem to give the bike and me such a feeing of confidece. :devilsmok
I don't think you can compare tyres by wearing one set out then trying a different make, a new tyre will always feel better than a shagged worn out one.

It's odd how people stay with what they have and know, my new 1000R (pick up at the weekend) has Super corsa's fitted, unless I find out otherwise it may have Powers on in the not too distant future, that is if michelin pull their finger out and release the 190/55 rear
 

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I just came back doing the tyre fitting and I decided to go with the 190/50 instead of the 180/55. I was given the option for either tyre size - no pressure sales, and decided to go with stock size. Any difference in the contact patch would be very small and personally I doubt it would be of any real significance on the road and at the sign posted speed limit.

I've dialed the suspension for a 190/50 tyre and I am a short ass, so any extra height of the 180/55 could make it worse for me. I'm on my tippy toes already!!! :jsm:

I've just ridden up and down the Royal National Park 300km there and back to scrub in the tyres, and now I have no more chicken strips!!!. I couldn't do that with the Diablo Coarsa!!

The bike feels planted around the corners and I scrape the knee sliders on a couple of the 45km/h bends which I never could have done without trying really hard.

It could be just the new tyres, but it feels like I'm part of the bike not riding on top of it. The Pilot powers warms up pretty quickly as well at 20degree C temperature.

Got my tyres done at Sydney Performance Motorcycles Taren Point, ask for Brendon 02-9531 6580 as he has the pilots powers on special for $450.00 (best price I got was from other bikeshops was about $600 fitted) front and back ride in ride out service.

He did an excellent job, even thou we spent about 1 hour trying to remove the rear wheel nut. Who ever did the last tyre change (Paul Feeney) did NOT torque the nut to 220-240Nm it was more like 600Nm. Brendons got the right wheel nut tool, proper snap on torque wrench and even a MV bike stand. Had to use a 2meter breaker bar to undo the reverse thread nut. Oh, he didn't even scratch my rims or the nut (use electrical tape)!!!!wooohooo. He use to be the mechanic for a popular Mv dealer, now he started his own bikeshop. At least he knows the MV and has a passion for them.

I do 90% of the servicing myself, but if you need your bike service or tyres give him a call.

Ps : I don't work or have any financial gains with the above workshop. Its just good to know that there is people who knows and works on the MV.
 

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mikef4uk said:
Ah yes but! the AGO had a 5.75 inch rear with a 180 fitted..

These are my preferences:


1.)A 180 will lift the rear of the bike up, hence the quicker turn in, the "maths" will prove this 190/50 = 95 mm high, 180/55=99mm high, also my tip toes said similar.


2.)It's odd how people stay with what they have and know, my new 1000R (pick up at the weekend) has Super corsa's fitted, unless I find out otherwise it may have Powers on in the not too distant future, that is if michelin pull their finger out and release the 190/55 rear

1.)Mike, I haven't done the maths but I believe that if you stretch the 180 over a six inch rim the hight diff is not that great.

2.) Odd maybe but thats human natures fear of the unknown. I'm interested to see what you think of the Super Corsa's though I would prefer you had tried them on the same bike.

I thought you had recently replaced your tyes with the 2CT's??? These are supposed to be available in 190/55. Does this mean they released the 2CT's there in 50's but not 55?
 
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