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I finally got to take mine out the weekend on a decent run which is my first run out apart from going round the block because of the weather .. What I have noticed is a couple of things and I am just wondering if this is normal ?..

1. quick shifter seems to work but is it working right because I notice that if i'm on the gas and I knock it up a gear the bike seems to dip and lurch quite a bit and it dosent seem to be really smooth and if I'm on the gas fully it seems to be worse ..Is this right or is there some adjustment ?

2. I seem to have a rumble/grumble through the pegs and seat when riding ?..could this be chain and sprockets ?..How long is a chain and sprockets supposed to last on one of these ?..Mine has 9000 miles..

3. It is the lusso version and I have it on single rider and 1 luggage but the back end seems really hard and seems to skip over bumps and be rather harsh rather that being smooth. I have tried turning the pre load to softer but it dosent seem to make ant difference .Does the electronics on the suspension adjust the rear shock too ?

Any ideas would be appreciated ....Apart from that I love it
 

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I finally got to take mine out the weekend on a decent run which is my first run out apart from going round the block because of the weather .. What I have noticed is a couple of things and I am just wondering if this is normal ?..

1. quick shifter seems to work but is it working right because I notice that if i'm on the gas and I knock it up a gear the bike seems to dip and lurch quite a bit and it dosent seem to be really smooth and if I'm on the gas fully it seems to be worse ..Is this right or is there some adjustment ?

2. I seem to have a rumble/grumble through the pegs and seat when riding ?..could this be chain and sprockets ?..How long is a chain and sprockets supposed to last on one of these ?..Mine has 9000 miles..

3. It is the lusso version and I have it on single rider and 1 luggage but the back end seems really hard and seems to skip over bumps and be rather harsh rather that being smooth. I have tried turning the pre load to softer but it dosent seem to make ant difference .Does the electronics on the suspension adjust the rear shock too ?

Any ideas would be appreciated ....Apart from that I love it
1 and 2. I suggest you check the chain tension. What you see may be corresponding to a chain with too much tension. Measure is supposed to be done both wheel on the ground, on the lateral stand, and if my memory is correct, the measure is of 11 cm from the mark on the swingarm to the chain center level.

3. Preload standard setting on the back is supposed to be as per MV indications : Pilot only 0, Pilot and luggages (both) +5, Pilot+passenger +15, Pilot+passenger and luggages +25. I don't have a lusso, but settings for the preloads are supposed to be same. You may try with this first. I usually add 1 turn by 4 kg of additional weight (passenger and luggages). For the lusso, the electronic adjustment is covering compression and rebound. However, you may want to do a restore factory settings, as the previous owner may have done custom settings with the application.
 

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Not normal.

1. Quick shifts on a bike will never be butter smooth as on an auto dual clutch transmission. In fact, you should feel what electronics are doing during both during upshift and downshifts. Be deliberate and quick when shifting without a clutch. I find that it is possible to confuse the quick shifter electronics by doing shifts in a slow and indecisive manner, and the bike will lurch — sometimes quite hard. As with most Italian machinery you may need to show it some testosterone (so it gets an idea on who's riding it) and starts to behave properly... but I digress....

2. Something is not right. TVL should not rumble/grumble.

3. Skyhook does not manage preload electronically. Find a competent mechanic to help you with setting your preload. It's very important to get the preload just right for your weight before playing with any electronic adjustments. Also, I find recommended tire pressures (38 psi) too high. Lowering it to 32/34 improves handling quite a bit.



I finally got to take mine out the weekend on a decent run which is my first run out apart from going round the block because of the weather .. What I have noticed is a couple of things and I am just wondering if this is normal ?..

1. quick shifter seems to work but is it working right because I notice that if i'm on the gas and I knock it up a gear the bike seems to dip and lurch quite a bit and it dosent seem to be really smooth and if I'm on the gas fully it seems to be worse ..Is this right or is there some adjustment ?

2. I seem to have a rumble/grumble through the pegs and seat when riding ?..could this be chain and sprockets ?..How long is a chain and sprockets supposed to last on one of these ?..Mine has 9000 miles..

3. It is the lusso version and I have it on single rider and 1 luggage but the back end seems really hard and seems to skip over bumps and be rather harsh rather that being smooth. I have tried turning the pre load to softer but it dosent seem to make ant difference .Does the electronics on the suspension adjust the rear shock too ?

Any ideas would be appreciated ....Apart from that I love it
 

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1 and 2. I suggest you check the chain tension. What you see may be corresponding to a chain with too much tension. Measure is supposed to be done both wheel on the ground, on the lateral stand, and if my memory is correct, the measure is of 11 cm from the mark on the swingarm to the chain center level.

3. Preload standard setting on the back is supposed to be as per MV indications : Pilot only 0, Pilot and luggages (both) +5, Pilot+passenger +15, Pilot+passenger and luggages +25. I don't have a lusso, but settings for the preloads are supposed to be same. You may try with this first. I usually add 1 turn by 4 kg of additional weight (passenger and luggages). For the lusso, the electronic adjustment is covering compression and rebound. However, you may want to do a restore factory settings, as the previous owner may have done custom settings with the application.
Thanks for your response..I have not chcked the chain but if anything I would say its too slack ..I will do a proper check the weekend ..
When you say do a restore I thought I could only change the settings for rider + luggage / rider and pillion etc ?
 

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When you say do a restore I thought I could only change the settings for rider + luggage / rider and pillion etc ?
Preload is set manually on both front (fork) and rear (shock). I'd say never mind the factory settings, it needs to be set up for your riding weight. Preload adjustments are mechanical and have nothing to do with suspension settings you have on your dash (helmet, helmets, helmets + luggage, etc.)

Again, Skyhook does not control preload, it only controls dynamic damping.

Once preload is set you will know your baseline. Then it will be easy to adjust the rear if you get to ride with a passenger.
 

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Not normal.

1. Quick shifts on a bike will never be butter smooth as on an auto dual clutch transmission. In fact, you should feel what electronics are doing during both during upshift and downshifts. Be deliberate and quick when shifting without a clutch. I find that it is possible to confuse the quick shifter electronics by doing shifts in a slow and indecisive manner, and the bike will lurch — sometimes quite hard. As with most Italian machinery you may need to show it some testosterone (so it gets an idea on who's riding it) and starts to behave properly... but I digress....

2. Something is not right. TVL should not rumble/grumble.

3. Skyhook does not manage preload electronically. Find a competent mechanic to help you with setting your preload. It's very important to get the preload just right for your weight before playing with any electronic adjustments. Also, I find recommended tire pressures (38 psi) too high. Lowering it to 32/34 improves handling quite a bit.
Thanks for your response .I will have to have a look at the preload / sag setup and my tyre pressures ..
 

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Preload is set manually on both front (fork) and rear (shock). I'd say never mind the factory settings, it needs to be set up for your riding weight. Preload adjustments are mechanical and have nothing to do with suspension settings you have on your dash (helmet, helmets, helmets + luggage, etc.)

Again, Skyhook does not control preload, it only controls dynamic damping.

Once preload is set you will know your baseline. Then it will be easy to adjust the rear if you get to ride with a passenger.
ok Thankyou..I have probably been spoilt as my previous bike a aprilia caponord had fully electronic which adjusted the preload too ..
 

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Thanks for your response..I have not chcked the chain but if anything I would say its too slack ..I will do a proper check the weekend ..
When you say do a restore I thought I could only change the settings for rider + luggage / rider and pillion etc ?
Custom settings are managed in mobile app I believe and not from the dashboard.
 

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ok .. I haven't actuallly set up the moble app.. Do you know do I have to do this default settings ?
Frankly, now would be a good time to actually read the manual before we confuse you any further.

The mobile app is only required to produce custom suspension maps that can be uploaded to the bike. The actual SELECTION of the suspension map is done through the bike's dashboard. To make matters even more complicated, electronic suspension map on a TVL is controlled via 2 independent settings on the dash:

1. Riding mode: Sport, Touring, Rain or Custom. This changes engine map and suspension map. Custom option allows for the custom suspension map uploaded from the app.

2. Suspension mode: 1 Helmet, 2 Helmets, 2 Helmets + Luggage. This further tweaks the electronic suspension to the loaded weight of the bike. I think it hardens the damping curves for additional weight.

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In order to put your TVL suspension to the desired configuration you will need to set:

1. Preload/sag. Socket wrench on the fork, bare hand on the shock. For your weight.
2. Suspension mode: 1 Helmet or 2 Helmets + Luggage.
3. Riding mode: Sport.

Have fun. You'll get it right eventually. It almost drove me nuts when I first tried to go through this myself.
 

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ok Thankyou..I have probably been spoilt as my previous bike a aprilia caponord had fully electronic which adjusted the preload too ..
Caponord's ADD is a perfect example on how to do electronic suspension properly. Fully automatic. Magic carpet ride.

Unfortunately, TVL is not like this at all.
 

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Frankly, now would be a good time to actually read the manual before we confuse you any further.


The mobile app is only required to produce custom suspension maps that can be uploaded to the bike. The actual SELECTION of the suspension map is done through the bike's dashboard. To make matters even more complicated, electronic suspension map on a TVL is controlled via 2 independent settings on the dash:

1. Riding mode: Sport, Touring, Rain or Custom. This changes engine map and suspension map. Custom option allows for the custom suspension map uploaded from the app.

2. Suspension mode: 1 Helmet, 2 Helmets, 2 Helmets + Luggage. This further tweaks the electronic suspension to the loaded weight of the bike. I think it hardens the damping curves for additional weight.

So.

In order to put your TVL suspension to the desired configuration you will need to set:

1. Preload/sag. Socket wrench on the fork, bare hand on the shock. For your weight.
2. Suspension mode: 1 Helmet or 2 Helmets + Luggage.
3. Riding mode: Sport.

Have fun. You'll get it right eventually. It almost drove me nuts when I first tried to go through this myself.
Yes ...being lazy really I should sit down and go through the manual:wink2:
 

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Yes ...being lazy really I should sit down and go through the manual:wink2:
Well, at least it is what it looks like. You may eventually consider a factory reset (accessible via the settings menu on the dashboard: engine running, select setting, and then a long press on the selection button - there is an option in there to put the bike back to factory settings). May be very useful to have a normal starting point.
 
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