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This is probably one of the most disputed points of motorcycle ownership: the everyday riders vs the everyday lookers.

I fit in both categories, but, with 6 bikes, 5 are just about 'glass box' candidates. From my perspective, the 'collector' enjoys the pride of ownership with the ability to ride any bike as he chooses, but prefers instead to keep them low mileage as a preservation piece. There is no real real investment value in our collecting, especially when taking into account insurances, servicing and roadworthy (MoT in UK) costs, right down to battery tender and electricity. Perhaps it could be put down as just another hobby?

I don't have a Mona Lisa on my wall, but I do have an F4 in the lounge room. I wonder if the same scenario is put to philatelists: 'Are you going to use those stamps for postage or just place them in an album?' Well, at least I don't get gum on my tongue.

Many forum member will know that I purchased a mint Honda VF1000R from a forum member back in May. It's yet to click over 10,000 miles, which means I have done fewer than 400 in 6 months. I have enjoyed every one of those miles AND every minute of looking at it!!:grin2:

Interested in hearing other views:smile2:.
 

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Ride, every possible day you can. Nobody is going to thank you for saving miles on a bike you will eventually sell one day. After already 5 years the bike is a bit old. There is really no point in buying a F4 750cc any more. It still looks good and that’s it.

F4Claudio didn’t impress me. They should have at least made it 1078cc with 220hp. Now it’s just another RC with different exhaust.

Mine, which just passed £60.000, will be the true homage of the F4 - and I will ride it every day I can.
 

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I agree wholeheartedly with Nicholas, ride em. If I was 20 years younger I might have a different attitude, but there's no value (to me) in keeping a bike on the basis it might be worth twice as much in ten or fifteen years. I could well be dead by then. I get Nigel's point that a pretty motorcycle is a thing of beauty and I certainly fall into the category of being one of those people who just go and look at my bikes in the garage from time to time, but I also need to ride it not just look at it..


There is a Goldilocks bracket (if I can call it that) with classic bikes. I have a friend with a Yamaha 1000GTS which has covered just 106 miles. He won't ride it! If it had 1060 miles on the odo or certainly if it had covered 10600 miles, he admits he definitely would ride it. We've all seen classic bikes in their original crates which have never been fired up. They fetch a fortune and of course if you did take it out of the crate and start it up it would wipe off at least 25% of its value straight away. If it's a future investment you want, then yes perhaps thats the way to go.

The Goldilocks bracket I refer to are bikes that are classic and collectable but not ultra low mileage such that I wouldn't want to ride them like the friend I've mentioned with his GTS. For that reason I wouldn't be interested in buying a bike with less than 500 miles on the odo whether I could afford it or not.

For me, I'm not a rich man, but I have no wish to be looking down from on high after my death watching my bikes being sold off on the basis that I never rode them and they are all pristine. I like to ride whatever bike I might own. That's in essence why I sold my F4 to Roy several years ago now. Not that it was a classic as such, although it was low mileage, it was simply I couldn't ride it more than 50 miles without pain, so for me there was no point keeping it.
 
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Wow! Three replies and now I'm wondering if I'm just a doddering old bastard!:frown2:

Cheers for your comments guys.:wink2:
 

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Let me say that I understand your opinion about this subject @nigelrb.

Rare, mind condition motorcycles that have hard to find and expensive parts. Would be shame if you dropped it or some dumb bimbo doing her makeup while riding and hitting you.
So using it as an art piece in the living room isnt a bad idea at all. Admire the beauty are rarity.
But at the same time having is standing still and not doing what it is meant to do is a waste of its own aswell.

So my suggestion and opinion. Do whatever feels right to you :)

*Just a few weeks ago on television someone had their F4 312RR lifted onto their balcony to enjoy it as an piece of art.
Oh did I mention it was a apartment building at floor 10 or so. Bike wont move an inch a year.
 

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Let me say that I understand your opinion about this subject @nigelrb.

*Just a few weeks ago on television someone had their F4 312RR lifted onto their balcony to enjoy it as an piece of art.
Oh did I mention it was a apartment building at floor 10 or so. Bike wont move an inch a year.
Now THAT, to me, is going too far - or too 'high' maybe?:smile2:

At least I enjoy the experience of also RIDING mine - at a minimum they get a 40-mile run every 4 to 6 weeks. Just yesterday I had my Honda NS400R out (V3 two-stroke). Blew plumes of smoke over the neighbourhood for the first half mile but still a delight to ride. Do you have many (or any) of these in Netherlands B_G_S? Also later models in 'Rothmans' livery.
 

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@nigelrb I havent seen the rare Hondas in my neightbourhood. All I see is shitty and loud scooters/supermotards and z800 kawasaki's. Litteraly.....how many z800 can 1 city have.
However 80km up to Eindhoven at the dealer I bought my F3, they have a Honda RVF400 for sale :O Thats a interesting bike.

Fun fact: There was a honda rvf400 for sale before I had my motorcycle license. 4 months before I succeeded it was sold.
I was actually thinking of buying it that early, but I was to late. Then the F3 showed up and I was sold and nothing else mattered :) Had to have her.

*Picture isnt from dealer. Somehow the website of dealership wont let me save their picture.

If I had to space I'd definitely buy the RVF400. Sporty looking 60HP of a beast hehe :grin:
 

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Nigel, i feel you brother. I just sold a 2004 BMW R11S Boxer Cup Replika with under 4k miles on it. It looked like just out of the wrapper, had abut 3500 miles when I bought back in May. Every mile I put on the bike, every pothole that couldn't be avoided, every little pebble that would come in contact with fairing would make me cringe. This was a limited production bike in the US, only 300 copies sold in 2004. My choices were ride it sparingly, put it under covers in the garage, drag into living room or sell it. I chose to sell it. It did fetch top price as the rest of the R11S and R12S market in the US is depressed. I didn't need to sell it, but not riding the bike I would be causing it harm. Hoses, fluids, pumps,bushing etc. would start to deteriorate and after a while the bike would need reconditioning. The new owner has different take on things and wants to ride it just shy of 10k at which point he will make a decision to put up on display or...

My motorcycle history contains other examples of low mile, pristine bikes that I loved to own but stressed to ride. When buying my 1991 Bimota YB10, seller gave me a choice of two bikes - a spotless, show queen or one in daily rider condition. I went for the daily rider and could not have been happier. I ride it with a bit of care, but I do ride it. Mileage is a consideration only when it comes to maintenance intervals. The Brutale I have was extremely well cared for by the PO and now my self. It had over 8k miles when I got it and I put about 2k in about 6 months. I have no qualms of riding it, modifying it and enjoying it. If it had 800 miles on it I don't think I would enjoy it in the same sense.

The YB10 is the bike that I plan to have for as long as I can ride and even past that. Brutale hopefully will be around for a long time considering the coin I am planning to drop on it in terms of mods. To sum it up, buy clean well maintained machines and enjoy them. If the mood strikes and you want to sell them, go ahead. If you want to stick them in the living room you can do that too. They are bikes bought with your own hard earned cash and whichever choice it will be go with the one that makes you happy.
 

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@Black_Gold_Saw, I love the RVF and am continually on the lookout for a good one. Like many of the older bikes, good stuff is rare. We now have a flood of imports from Japan that are refurbished to look mint. Problem is they have no history, and who knows if the speedo (odometer) that reads 5,200 kilometres is actually the original? I recently drove 200 miles to look at one advertised on ebay. Looked great in the pics but in reality looked like a beautiful woman who had suffered under the surgeon's knife and overdoses of Botox.:crying:
@Tirefriar, enjoying your motorcycling history and perspectives of ownership. Great feather in the cap owning a Bimota!
 

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Motorcycles are about passion.
Passion makes us do things that others may not understand. Some will agree, some won’t.

Do whatever makes you happy, what others think of your decision is irrelevant.
 

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yes i have this problem now. I just bought a virtually brand new 2004 cagiva mito with 200kms on it.
Now i paid way too much for it. The bike is mint. I want to ride it but i want it as investment. I was offered 1k more than i paid for it a week later.
The more kms i put on it the less its going to be worth.
It is stressing me out too much. I want to sell her because its a burdon having it.
If it had a few thousand kms on it i would just ride it, but it doesn't.
So now i have no idea what to do with it.
Cos not riding it with having fluids in it isnt good
so i may or may not have all fluids removed and just put it on show
but again such a confusing decision.

They say owning something and not using it is like having a super model girlfriend and not having sex with her. But yeh im confused.
 

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I would say there is nothing wrong with what your doing. BUT the realistic side of me says get out and enjoy them ALL.. I am far from the richest man, and yet when I had multiple corvettes, people would ask me why the bikes were in the garage not the cars. My response cars were ment to be rained on, thus they have roofs. I drove everyone of them like they were a ford escort.
Spread the love and joy of your bikes on the road, and get the fun and excitement from riding them.. They are plastic and metal after all, and can be gazed upon when they either break down or your butt is to old to ride and enjoy them. Life is short, enjoy that shit!
 

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Actually not to take away from the thread poster but would value some advise on this.

Because i paid a lot, like too much for a basically brand new bike thats old, if i continue to ride it i will loose so much money on it. If i put it on show then i wont. I get that thats the same thing with a new car but u cant buy a brand new mito anymore so i bought it with the hope it would make me money one day, so hence the prob. But the previous owner bought it with 1km on it (like literally brand new) so he had all new fluids petrol etc put on it. Did 200 kms on it and then was hit with a divorce so he had to sell all his bikes. So now either i ride it loose heaps of money or have all fluids removed and store it. So i dont know what to do.
 

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yes i have this problem now. . .
Ha, ha ha! Yes!! You summed up the whole scenario very succinctly. Good pick up with the Cagiva though.

I think storing with a once a month run is a reasonable compromise. I do agree with the concerns for rubber/neoprene perishing. That is one of the expenses that have to be accepted.

I'm not sure there would be much value difference AND buyer resistance whether a 'collector' bike had 200 or 2,000 miles/kilometres on it. It wouldn't deter me from buying. I think 5-7,000 miles is still a respectable mileage for a 2004 bike. Might be a different matter for the likes of Cagiva though - someone wiser than myself might correct me on this.
 

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If this cagiva is "THAT BIKE" that truly has an emotional impact on you and strums the heart strings like no other, than by all means keep her always and enjoy it in whatever manner you choose. I personally cannot let the attachment of saying it is worth this or that, override my desire to enjoy these things in life, as we truly are barring someone else chiming in, here only once on this Earth, so enjoy it. I get this one a fair bit, you track that bike? But it has bst wheels, this and that and well that's $$,$$$, what if you crash? Well I didn't build a bike to just look at, as I want to feel the fruits of my labor and $ spent.

A common phrase I use, When I am 80 years old and can't do shit, will I be sitting on the rocking chair on the porch and have regrets about not doing something, when given the chance?
if she is the one, ride her now, she can rest later in life, when you yourself will need rest. just my own beliefs
 

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I got a load of flak for registering my Mondial Piega, people saying I destroyed the value, and those interested in buying it will use the same remarks to low ball me. I sat it in the garage for some years admiring it which was alright, nice thing etc, but what was missing were the nice memories to complete the emotion. I eventually got it registered in 2010 and haven't been far on it since really. I carefully ran it in letting the rpm sweep through with low to medium loads and over my favourite North Wales roads which turned into faster rides after another oil change, gradually taking the bike to the point where I remember full well how this thing goes, it's temperament, the time that needs investing in the saddle to gel with it, the cacophony of noises it makes, the awkwardness, the conversations, looks, cleaning, and then back to the corner in which it sits happily waiting for the next day out.

It's still only done about 1600 miles. It won't stay in my custody for a lot longer, that's all we are, custodians, some feel obliged to take so much care of them they never see the world, but for me I needed to do it. I couldn't let it sit there and admire or clean it without the real knowledge of the bike.

It is disturbing that people will chance their arm with low ball offers once bikes like this are used, stating it'll never be the same, or the other gem that they're so specialist the market is so small you'll never sell it. I guess I should roll over at that point and take a ridiculous offer. I can keep it in a corner, or take it apart and put it in labelled boxes in the loft.

Anyway, did I do the right thing? Still bothers me some. I did the same with my Colin Edwards Replica although I rode it a bit further. This time it was 2012 before registration and it has somewhere near 3,000 miles, but there again, it's a stunning machine I thought it wrong to just look at. The thing is infectious haha, again should I have?

My last is the RR312. This one got registered as late as I could before legislation changes and I didn't want to run the risk of it later coming under emissions testing regulations so it got registered in December 2016. I haven't touched it though. It has 3 miles on it I think and it lives under a sheet. I do get tempted, but decided that my R312 was likely fairly similar so just rode that instead. Well that one got whacked in June so I have yet to find out its future, and mine it would seem. The likelihood is the RR312 will also go when someone recognises the custodian part of ownership, and are prepared to pay for the privilege of owning to all intents and purposes, a new machine, especially a gem like this.

Maybe this one will make it to the lounge rather than boxes ;O)
 

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yes the cagiva is very sentimental to me. Why ? It was the first bike i ever owned. I had to sell it and i regretted it the minute after. Now in 2018 i bought the very same bike, the same colour albeit a later year model. Also in 2017 i saw this very same bike when it had 0001 km on it. I went to ring the guy who owned it one day after he posted it and it had sold. I was gutted. It then came back for sale in Sept this year with 200 kms on it from the new guy who bought it. He is waa going through divorce so had to sell all his bikes. I bought it off him 2hrs after it was posted. The world works in mysterious ways. I feel i was meant to have it.
 

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It is disturbing that people will chance their arm with low ball offers once bikes like this are used, stating it'll never be the same, or the other gem that they're so specialist the market is so small you'll never sell it.
Totally agree.

But it's buyers the likes of you and I who appreciate this 'history' and wouldn't dare to insult the seller with a contemptuous offer. Well, we'll still low ball, but with an underlying hint of sarcasm so we can quickly bail out of a potential 'situation' and present an offer more reasonable!:smile2:

Colin Edwards replica was/is a classic machine! Hard to find a good one for sale now:frown2:.
 

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Interesting thread this :)

My Agusta is my eye and mind candy in the winter when she´s parked in my livingroom and honstly just owning was and is a part of my goal.
The problem in my equation is that that´s not enough i need to use despite having my everyday ongoing projekt Blackbird ready and running at all times.

Well well....just enjoy in every way...regardless in witch way thats the secret isn´t it? :)
 
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