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Hi all, I am new to this forum and looking for some unbiased advice :), I currently have a Speed Triple which I have had for 3 yrs, the bike has served me well but am now ready for a change.

My short list is one for 2 bikes; Benelli TNT or Brutale 1090RR, I have ruled out the 1078 as I believe it vibrates a fair bit through the bars, numb hands I don't want!

So my main concern about the 1090RR is I like torque and whilst a nice revvy motor is great it also has to be usable and not be as flat as a fart below 6000 rpm, any comments? What I don't want is a naked R1 if you see what I mean? The reason the Benelli is on my short list is one thing is for sure is they have character and it's not a UJM by any stretch of the imagination!

thanks in advance!
 

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I have recently get a 990R...and I got impressed!

I am coming from a FZ1 (Naked R1, you know...) that has no power under 6K RPM...and a R6...what to say...more or less the same...

My first impression with the Brute is that you can count on the torque from 1k to the 10k RPM.

So, you can get more benefits...

- Chasis...show him the corner and he goes for it...
- Brakes...Nissin pump and Bembro radial mount (best partners)...just touch the lever and the bike STOPS...and softly.
- Suspension...works finest and soft enough for a daily use.
- Motor...read above.
- Beaty...tons!
- Exclusive...what to say...

When I turn to get a new bike...Benelli was not an option...you got no trust with the bike and the brand...I have talk with several Bike Shop owners and all of us gave the same answer: "No way".

Anyway...it is just my opinion based in my experience.
 

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If you're not liking the characteristics of an IL4, then maybe wait for the aprilia tuno v4! If that comes out even in the same frame as the current model (which it won't, but who knows what aprillia will do!), it would be awesome bit of gear. For what it's worth though, my 1078 has more bottom end grunt than the tuono did and that had spades full of it! I haven't ridden the 1090 so can't comment on that sorry. But ride them all, you'll soon know what's best for you :)
 

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I have a 1078RR and recently owned a new blade, and also ride an F41000. The 1078RR had the most ridiculously fat bottom end ever. It absolutely stomps from 2krpm. I mean I can outdrag almost anything starting in second. Unless you have spent some time on a 1078 or 1090, its hard to understand the stomp. My mate has a streetfighter and it is also very strong on bottom but you can only really use it above 3krpm. Its will rattle like a tractor. The big bore brutale's get my vote every time and I have spent time riding all the contenders. The liter sports bike get wasted when stomping around town using the bottom end. My F41000 feels positively weak against the 1078RR unless you have it screaming.
 

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My mate has a streetfighter and it is also very strong on bottom but you can only really use it above 3krpm. Its will rattle like a tractor
Good post Davman, I have a streetfighter too and you are exactly right, you have to ride it above 3000.
But it feels pretty normal to ride it around above 3k all the time... it's just not a problem

Good to hear about the grunt of the 1078 - I'm going to check one out this week.

:drummer: I'm pretty excited ! :)
 

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The 1078RR had the most ridiculously fat bottom end ever. It absolutely stomps from 2krpm. I mean I can outdrag almost anything starting in second.
Sounds good to me, I notice many of the reviews say the 1078 / 1090 have loads of torque which is a bit strange for a 4 in reasonable state of tune but I won't complain about it :) Have ruled out the Benelli, too many issues concerning reliability, maybe it's just peoples perception and the new ones are sorted now but it shows in the re-sale value or rather lack of it. The new Tuono V4 looks very dull in the colours I have seen so far, I have ridden the old one (Factory...top bike) my speed triple has far more grunt, Tuono gets better as you rev it, far more top end rush than the speed triple, Tuono finish and handling second to none.

What kind of average MPG can I expect from the Brutale? I notice the 1090 has a large tank so not a huge issue apart from being used a speed triple which rarely drops below 45 mpg!

Thanks for all the comments.
 

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You will not be seeing 45 mpg on the MV.....but who cares, it is just such a sweet ride.
 

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I had a 2005 speed triple which had a lovely spread of strong torque. My 08 1078rr Brutale has a totally FEROCIOUS spread of torque from tickover,comparedto the speed. A different league.:yo:
 

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Sounds good to me, I notice many of the reviews say the 1078 / 1090 have loads of torque which is a bit strange for a 4 in reasonable state of tune
Specs below, all stock bikes:

R1: 179hp (133kw), 85lbs (115N-m)

GSXR: 174hp (136kw), 89lbs (120N-m)

MV (1078 Brutale): 154hp (114kw), 86lbs (117N-m)

Aprilia V4: 182hp (130kw), 85lbs (115N-m)

Trumpy Speed3: 130hp (94kw), 77lbs (105N-m)

Aprilia Vtwin (Tuono): 137hp (100kw), 79lbs (107N-m)

Duc (Streetfighter): 155hp (114kw), 85lbs (115N-m)

Of course, this doesn't indicate WHERE they make max torque & power, but this is where the Brutale shines because it's nice and low and continues almost right through the rev range - very impressive imho. The trumpy is nice and low too and you get that big torque rush down low (similar to the v2 aprilia) but they drop off sooner (which further accentuates the torque hit).
 

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It's great to have those specs, and all of those bikes make excelent power and seemingly a lot of torque.

But the specs don't convey the riding experience or the way the engines deliver power.
A V2 and an I4 may have exactly the same numbers but we all know the riding experience and power control can be polar opposites.

You just can't make any decision based on the numbers - you have to ride the bikes. :moped:
 

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I agree my 09 1078rr is simply excellent grunt from 2000rpm mental at 4500rpm just excellent and regarding fuel I personally don't really care if that is the price I have to pay for a brilliant ride Cheers
 

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great info on the specs brutale4me, you are exactly right regarding where these bikes make those torque numbers. If you look at the area under the torque curve till about 3500-4500rpm for the 1078rr, it easy to see why it feels so strong. There is a lot available. Unlike the twins you can use it way down low down and it does not check out a 7-8000rpm, it just keeps going and going.
 

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So which model should I buy, 1078 or 1090? I am tempted to buy a new 1078 as for the price difference I can buy a whole load of goodies! Main issues with 1078 seem to be; cooling system (can be uprated relatively easily?), snatchy throttle (maybe an acquired taste) and handlebar vibration? The only issue that could put me off is the vibration, I don't want numb hands, are there mods that actually work, have seen the link about using heavier bar end weights. Maybe the runner bar mounts off the 1090 will fit?
 

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So which model should I buy, 1078 or 1090? I am tempted to buy a new 1078 as for the price difference I can buy a whole load of goodies! Main issues with 1078 seem to be; cooling system (can be uprated relatively easily?), snatchy throttle (maybe an acquired taste) and handlebar vibration? The only issue that could put me off is the vibration, I don't want numb hands, are there mods that actually work, have seen the link about using heavier bar end weights. Maybe the runner bar mounts off the 1090 will fit?
Have a good search through the threads on this forum. Obviously the 1090 guys will say it's the bike to go for and the 1078 guys (myself included) will say different. Either bike is excellent and you'll be over the moon whatever you choose. As I have a 1078rr I can only comment on it and if you can get it at the 'right money' you'll have plenty of spare cash for many goodies. I have a microtek ECU fitted and that is in my opinion the single best 'upgrade' you cn do as it smooths out any throttle/fuelling issues you may have. Also it's fully programmable so you can set up your bike's rideability to your tastes. Chris at X bikes (X81) on the forum will tell you all you need to know about this. You can also de-cat the bike as I have done with replacement headers/down pipes and midpipe...not really necessary....but it does help and looks the 'business'. I have not found any issues with the cooling. Also have no problems with handlebar vibration....but the guys here swear by http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=238 and some have substituted the Brutale handlebars with those from a Ducati Monster and highly recommend it. One thing that definitely need replaced are the standard mirrors. They vibrate so much and you just can't see anything outta them. I have http://www.moorespeedracing.co.uk/category-496/RIZBS154.html and find them great. The Brutale1078rr is an absolutely awesome bike a real torque monster and with the 'bits' listed you'll find it everything you could ever want in a naked bike and I cannot recommend it highly enough.....especially at today's prices. I payed the 'full whack' £14000 but with what you can get them for now I wouldn't hesitate for a moment as you could add all those goodies for what I payed for mine standard and look at what you'd have!!. The 1090 I believe is more 'refined' doesn't have any fuelling issues etc and as I say is also an excellent bike. All the best with your choice you're spoilt for choice. Check out my photo album to see some of the modifications I've mentioned along with others on the forum and enjoy the many threads covering any/all your concerns. There are many here who 'know' these bikes inside out. Cheers Brian:)
 

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Personally I don't care about the numbers, I choose one bike over another because of the way it makes me feel. I have a 998, a 1200 multi and a brute 1078RR, each one taps into a different side of my make up, relaxed on the 1200, technical riding on the 998, and all out ratbag on the 1078. I had a s3 and loved it for the ratbag feel but the 1078 is the s3 on steroids, like a kid on a skate board carving through pedestrians on a footpath, don't have any vibration probs and have done 600km days no worries. So ride a few and take the one that makes you feel alive. :)
 

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I hear the 1090 is much smoother in nature which may be good. 1078 is a bit more raucous and my only reference. Would love to try a 1090 but not sure when / if they are coming to Aus.
 
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