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Thanks for the advice over the last year I've only spoke to a few of you, I've decided to change manufacturers only due to the worry that if something went wrong I'd be left with an ornament in the garage. Lovely bikes shame about the support. Safe riding guys
 

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Yes, well if I was looking to buy at this moment in time, I don't think I would buy the TVL either. My second choice was the KTM 1290 GT.
MVAGUSTA USA are legally obliged to supply and fit all warrenteed parts to the bikes that have been sold. But the question is "when". Iv'e been waiting 8 months at this point- so who would knowingly get into a mess like this, if you have other options.
I'll be trying to get an extended warranty on the the failed parts , because at this point some parts only lasted a month and there has been no replacements.
Good luck in your search- there is alot to choose from.
 

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I'm looking very seriously at the superduke GT, it cost less and it has a larger engine. I think it would be better for long hauls on the freeway doing 80-90 m.p.h. the tourismo's 800 c.c. engine will have to buzz a little harder..dependability? the superduke may not be any better and the tourismo is better looking. I haven't done any test rides yet to see which one has better wind protection but to me, the mv looks like it has a fuller fairing...closer to a true touring bike like the B.M.W. and I am looking at that bike too..i am also wondering which bike rides better, the tourismo is pretty short, so it might be a little choppier on the freeways..can anybody tell me how much r.p.m's it is doing at the 80-85m.p.h. range?..Im not interested in a large touring motorcycle, I'm 5-9 155lbs. and I travel solo so I like the handling of the smaller touring bikes, it's better in the hills and around town and the lighter weight is easier to move around....thanks for any replies..
 

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Having owned a Pikes Peak Multistrada, ridden the BMW and read the reviews/comments on the KTM, it is difficult to compare them with the MV for the very reasons you have stated i.e. smaller engine, shorter wheelbase, weight etc. (not to mention it is by far a better looking bike than the KTM!). However I found all the above bikes to be too big for what I use them for. I liked my MS1200 a lot, but I personally found it was too big and heavy for short hauls and daily trips to work.

I think the TV fills a hole for those people that want a bike for everyday use, but can also be loaded up for that extended trip away that is going to be primarily through biking back roads as opposed to pounding out the miles on the motorways/highways. However, if I were regularly going away for weeks at a time and putting 8--10,000 miles on my bike each year, then I would have brought the BMW.

For me the MV is the perfect bike for what I need it for, the odd local ride out, trips to work and long weekends away in France. I would caveat this by my increasing annoyance with the apparent lack of support the dealer network gets from the factory. I know there were/still are financial issues, but the supply chain of parts is plain and simple the primary factor for any manufacturer in retaining the loyalty of their dealer network to the brand and thereafter consumer confidence.
 

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MCN Fleet: KTM Super Duke GT's Imperfect 10 | MCN
it allways looks greener in the other pasture..every bike I have checked into has problems that riders complain about after owning them for a while, the K.T.M. has many the B.M.W. has a lot of problems too as do the yamahas...just go to there forums and you can read complaints just like on the m.v. forum. if you judged your new bike by this you would never buy one! it's good to read about the good things sometimes.."boris on bikes" has a youtube page that bashes the tourismo pretty hard, it does make you think before forking out $20,000+ for a motorcycle...JerseyBrute!!..thanks for the reply it was very good..
 

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I've seen a KTM engine Blow at a track day. Spilled oil onto the rear tyre, subsequently the rider crashed and the bike caught fire. Worst self inflicted damage I've ever seen at my ride days. Rider was okay.

But anyway, I digress, I can see exactly why you like the KTM, it's got the same draw cards as an MV Agusta. Both unique brands with individuality. Unfortunately I think it's tit for tat. If you want an improvement on the after sales, you are probably not going to fare much better with the KTM!!! Why not go for a Ducati?
 

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So far, I think the "best buy' might be the MOTO GUZZI NORGE GT...$16,000 and some change..It's not the most powerful in the H.P. department but it does have a boat load of torque and going by some of the reviews I've read it will run a lot of miles and last a long time. Being air cooled keeps it simple and cheaper to maintain too...I think it's pretty good looking and the price makes it affordable as a second bike. any thoughts? If you know a little about this bike please share...I wont trade in my dragster rr for it though, but I might for the veloce lusso..
 

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I have had a few Guzzi's and if you get a good one they will go forever. The Norge is heavy if that bothers you but comfortable on a long run. One major issue is that the 8V engines have had big problems with cam failure. You need to make sure the Norge has roller cam followers. Google 'Guzzi 8V cam failure' and make your mind up'. There have also been issue with dash failures due to moisture getting inside.
One other note. If you think MV are hard to deal with then Piaggio are just as bad. Quite a few UK dealers have packed Guzzi in because of the way they run the business.
To counter that I have had both 2v and 4v 1200 engines(confusingly called 8V) and had no problems.
 

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I just purchased a TVL new last month. Now I did get it for a great deal, but prior to buying it, the #1 contender for my hard earned cash was the FJ-09, which I think is the closest competitor. Both bikes are sub 1000CC's, both bikes have triples, both bikes are sporty tourers with a little bit of adventure styling. I've done multiple test rides on the FJ-09 and I can tell you after 800 miles on the MV, the FJ just isn't as nice of a bike.

I also considered the new multistrada 950, but honestly it is just as big and heavy as the multistrada 1200.

The TVL comes in with a dry weight of about 420 lbs, compared to the FJ-09 460 lbs.
Seat heights are roughly the same, the both have about the same range,
The TVL really comes out a winner when you compare suspensions. The FJ's I've test road were comfortable, but vague with front wheel feel and spongy. The MV feels solid and planted but never feels harsh or too firm.

The only place I feel the Yamaha may be superior is reliability concerns and dealer networks.

Personally I would rather have a bike I LOVE to ride which may have problems over the bike I know will run forever but be boring.
 

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If you're in the US, not sure going from MV to KTM is that big of an upgrade wrt dealer support. Depends on your location. Totally different bikes as well. The SuperDuke is a brut, the TV is elegant drama.

I have an R1200GS and the TV. Totally different bikes for different moods. If I want to go long distances, especially 2-up, the GS wins by a mile. Also if I'm commuting in LA, the GS gets the nod as it deals with slow traffic and stoplights better, and I have extra lighting installed for more visibility. Plus it has a top box which is just plain useful for commuting (better than panniers imho).

But if I want to go hit the canyons, or make a run around town in a smaller/lighter package, or want to do 200-300 mile loop with lots of twisties, then the MV often gets the nod. The GS carves in the canyons, the TV dances. Totally different riding experience.

fwiw my local dealer met with the US MV reps a week or so ago and said that he thinks they'll be a viable brand this year. And no reason for him to BS me as I already bought the bike from him and I'm not in the market right now for another one. I will say if I was outside of CA not sure how viable owning the brand is, but I"m here, dealers are here, and so far so good.
 

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Really? Come on... I own a 990 Superduke and know a couple of other owners, and do not recognize this.
True... parts are expensive: 35euroos vs 8euroos on an off filter.
The shitty thing is, KTM uses good parts/ brands. And when it fails..

@ Nostatic: :) ELEGANT DRAMA. What a poetry description!! Nice.
 

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K-Keeps
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Really? Come on... I own a 990 Superduke and know a couple of other owners, and do not recognize this.
True... parts are expensive: 35euroos vs 8euroos on an off filter.
The shitty thing is, KTM uses good parts/ brands. And when it fails..

@ Nostatic: :) ELEGANT DRAMA. What a poetry description!! Nice.
Non KTM owners: Keep Talking Bullshit
 

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I was so anti ktm for years (mainly due to my mx scene) but the last 4-5 years they have started to really get it right and the latest 2.0 superduke is meant to be a weapon

I've yet to own one (my son has had 3 in racing) but I think they have come a long way since the Keep Taking Money days which I remember all too well
 

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Gs 1200 lc 2014 up are just a brilliant machine ,long rides in twisties or a straight line ,ease of use is perfect with changing riding modes on the fly and suspension settings ,so simple to use. 2 riding heights i am 5ft 9 and love this machine .using TKC 70 Tyres is a must .It handles extremely well in the corners and if you want more preload change it to 1 up plus luggage and hit the bends,now of course this is all based on rider ability. for long distance just sit back and relax ,probably has the best suspension out in the market,just soaks up those big bumps.Ktm has come a long way as 2 of my mates have them and have no issues. But I still get a thrill out of my Mv brutale . The BMW is the benchmark of tourers and i have to agree.

cheers eddy
 

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Hi there,

If I have to do long distance riding the #1 choice in my stable is the BMW K1300GT. This thing eats the miles and can get around 400km to a tank without really trying. Also great for carrying the wife and luggage.

Did a couple of hundred km on the Dragster last weekend. Different animal obviously, more character than the Beemerbago and was a completely different ride. However wouldn't consider using the Dragster for the long distance stuff. Horses for courses.

Good luck with your riding future. Keep the shiny side up.
 

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I had a 2014 R1200GS and loved it. A lady hit me from the rear, totaled the bike and broke my back in two places. Ten days later, when the insurance check came in I bought the TVL. I still love the GS, but I have so much more fun on the smaller bike and it is gorgeous. My sons are glad I do not have the "old man" bike anymore.

I ride every day to work that it doesn't rain and regular trips less than 400 miles away. That's about 10,000 a year.
This bike makes me smile. It is just that simple.

I am optimistic it will not need customer support for a loooong time. I bought mine from Hourglass.
 
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