[EricZ]

I picked up an 06 F4 1000 S with 9800 miles and going front to back in an effort to learn the machine and establish confidence in the machine. I'd appreciate so guidance on the following:

Overall, any good recommendations for a dealer/distributor who can reliably supply OE MV parts to the US? I'm more interested in good customer service and less concerned about the cheapest, but I also don't want to buy from the most expensive place

Brake/clutch lines: I've ordered some Goodridge lines to replace the factory lines, but after searching about the interwebs, I'm suspecting the front lines will show up with the wrong ends (axial vs radial calipers)...we will see. Nothing is wrong with factory lines, just some discoloring of the outer sleeves so it's mainly a cosmetic change.

Brake rotors: I see there are 310mm vs 320mm ODs between the axial and radial caliper machines, mine has the axial calipers, of course. I'd like to get a fresh set of front rotors that are either OE replacements or Braking brand wavy rotors, but I havent found confirmation Braking offers front rotors to fit the axial calipers.

Brake caliper/master parts: I want to rebuild the internals and need a source for the parts....I'll buy from anywhere just want good parts.

Tune: the bike has a Fast by Ferracci exhaust and was supposed to also have been tuned back in 2006 for the setup, but I'm not sure how to best identify what may have been done. I'd like to 1) learn what it has currently, 2) confirm she is mechanically dialed in 3)further refine the tune if possible (low rpm/load conditions are not too smooth)

What recommendations do you guys have? Thanks!!

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[EricZ]

Additionally, I'll be replacing cooling fan/s as I know the lower fan has some slightly melted blades. I've read many posts on metal blades or Ducati 1098 fan alternatives, but I have yet to find part numbers for what others have used successfully. Any technical details would be a big help there as most info I have found has been general statements rather than specific PNs or dimensional/tech info.

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[MV Arthur]

Microtec fir tuning. Radial fork bottoms, calipers, 320mm rotors, and 19rcs master would be a very nice upgrade. Or go with the later front end.

 

[number2]

Motor bikes of Charlotte still services Mv and the Ducshop in Atlanta also. Speigler will make brake lines to fit and EBC should have replacement pads

 

[esq'z me]

Haul it to DucShop for a dyno tune.... Mark knows his stuff. Also a MV dealer and is as good as it gets for parts supply in the USA.

I'm going to guess yours has a 1.6M ECU and a Ferraci chip.....maybe a PowerCommander too?

 

[R1andrew]

Welcome to the forum. Lots of great info on here. I see that I am just an hr south of you.

 

[R1andrew]

Not sure how to tell if it has been tuned. You would have the older ECU on it which I think could of been flashed. My guess would be that the TPS was reset for the exhaust. The dealer in Charlotte can service bikes if needed. You will need the ducshop in Atlanta to tune.

 

[theknurl]

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I picked up an 06 F4 1000 S with 9800 miles and going front to back in an effort to learn the machine and establish confidence in the machine. I'd appreciate so guidance on the following:

Overall, any good recommendations for a dealer/distributor who can reliably supply OE MV parts to the US? I'm more interested in good customer service and less concerned about the cheapest, but I also don't want to buy from the most expensive place

Brake/clutch lines: I've ordered some Goodridge lines to replace the factory lines, but after searching about the interwebs, I'm suspecting the front lines will show up with the wrong ends (axial vs radial calipers)...we will see. Nothing is wrong with factory lines, just some discoloring of the outer sleeves so it's mainly a cosmetic change.

Brake rotors: I see there are 310mm vs 320mm ODs between the axial and radial caliper machines, mine has the axial calipers, of course. I'd like to get a fresh set of front rotors that are either OE replacements or Braking brand wavy rotors, but I havent found confirmation Braking offers front rotors to fit the axial calipers.

Brake caliper/master parts: I want to rebuild the internals and need a source for the parts....I'll buy from anywhere just want good parts.

Tune: the bike has a Fast by Ferracci exhaust and was supposed to also have been tuned back in 2006 for the setup, but I'm not sure how to best identify what may have been done. I'd like to 1) learn what it has currently, 2) confirm she is mechanically dialed in 3)further refine the tune if possible (low rpm/load conditions are not too smooth)

EricZ;
Why is it that almost every Newbie wants to rebuild their damn brakes??????
Do they leak? Is the fluid turning black? If no "Leave sleeping dogs lie"
LEARN HOW TO CORRECTLY BLEED THEM
I have almost 200,000mi on the rears on my '66 El Camino, have I looked at them? No.....Why?
If you did some research, you'd know all 1st Gen MVs use the same dimension front wheels, there are 2 widths of rear wheels
No shit, lots of Ducati discs fit MVs......you want the silly wavy rotors.....Call Braking and end the mystery :wink2:

Your bike has a 1.6M ECU, it uses a chip......you a fuel injection programmer? If not, go to the top of the Performance Section
and contact merc07 (Adam) tell him what you have, he'll burn you a chip, plug and play, get his free diagnostic software too
You have to buy the cables

Fans, Muzzy is no longer selling metal fan blades....
For a 3rd fan everyone uses Ducati fans.....there are lefts and rights, doesn't matter, you have to make new mounts anyway
The threads are "Fanzilla" and "Son of Fanzilla"
Here are 2 cooling systems
2 stock fans 1 Ducati
3 Ducati fans

 

[EricZ]

Haul it to DucShop for a dyno tune.... Mark knows his stuff. Also a MV dealer and is as good as it gets for parts supply in the USA.

I'm going to guess yours has a 1.6M ECU and a Ferraci chip.....maybe a PowerCommander too?

Thanks for the recommendations. Yes, it has the 1.6M ECU but no Power Commander. I'll pull the ECU to see if the chip has been swapped. From what I have read online, there should be a rubber plug to pull and see inside the ECU.

Why is it that almost every Newbie wants to rebuild their damn brakes??????
Do they leak? Is the fluid turning black? If no "Leave sleeping dogs lie"
LEARN HOW TO CORRECTLY BLEED THEM
I have almost 200,000mi on the rears on my '66 El Camino, have I looked at them? No.....Why?
If you did some research, you'd know all 1st Gen MVs use the same dimension front wheels, there are 2 widths of rear wheels
No shit, lots of Ducati discs fit MVs......you want the silly wavy rotors.....Call Braking and end the mystery :wink2:

The front calipers need rebuilding since the pistons continue to stick after multiple cleanings and cycling thru their travel + the RH caliper is weeping from one of the piston seals.
I KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY BLEED BRAKES:grin2: Congrats on your El Camino - Did you get a trophy?:highclap:
I'm aware the front wheels are the across many years, but this provides only part of the answer to the brake rotor question. What is the rotor offset, thickness, etc? I can measure all of this myself, but why do work if someone else has already done it? Again, I'm interested in discs identical to OE (and a source) -or- PNs for Braking brand wavy rotors that will work with the stock 06 front end. If anyone can provide PNs or a link, that's what I'm looking for.

Your bike has a 1.6M ECU, it uses a chip......you a fuel injection programmer? If not, go to the top of the Performance Section
and contact merc07 (Adam) tell him what you have, he'll burn you a chip, plug and play, get his free diagnostic software too
You have to buy the cables

I have a lot of tuning experience with motorcycles & cars, so the tuning is not an issue for me. Before I dig into if and how the tune needs to change, I want to understand what hardware I'm starting with and where it came from. Thanks for recommending merc07. I'll reach out to him to see what insight he can provide on my current setup and what tuning software is available.

Fans, Muzzy is no longer selling metal fan blades....
For a 3rd fan everyone uses Ducati fans.....there are lefts and rights, doesn't matter, you have to make new mounts anyway

I've seen the Muzzy fans are no longer. Looks like I'll read those Fanzilla threads and go from there, thanks for those. Maybe I'll just make my own.

 

[theknurl]

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Eric;
Where do I start?......
Your caliper assembly bolts a unevenly torqued, the pistons are hitting the pads at an angle, that's why they're sticking
My 4 pad Brembos did the same thing, one bolt destroyed 2 T40 Torx bits, I drilled it out

Looking at the chip in the ECU doesn't tell you fuck all......you need to read the chip .....it's written in binary code 1s and 0s
You don't know if the chip has been reflashed either

Tuning the bike......a dyno won't help you, all you can change is TPS and TB sync everything is on the chip,
OK, there's a trimmer screw that richens or leans the entire map but thats not tuning either

You need a data logger and someone thst can look at your files and rewrite the maps and reflash a chip for you
The chips aren't encrypted, so it's not like hacking the Siemens ECU on an Aprilia RSVR which has major encryption,
With them you need a $2,400 Axone and the secret password......yes, it violates Federal law>
Yes, I have one:wink2:
Everything on the chip is written starting on line 8,000........dick heads

I sent my chips to Adam for him to read......he built a data logger that he sells
Here's my data logger, look what it logs> plus any sensors I want to hook up:grin2:
Comes with an accelerometer built in, got that on a dyno?
FBF chip I sent to Adam
My Quadrajet jet block......you can buy the main jets, but nothing else, break down a couple thousand carbs at the junk yard
Result? The Air Resources Board referee said everything I did was illegal.......but passed me anyway, because it blew 4.5%
of what's allowed.......22.9 mpg city/highway, done with a vacuum gauge and ass dyno
Better than my Brutale in the city:grin2:

 

[silentservice703]

Noel, how does this help Eric sort out his bike?

 

[merc07]

'Comes with an accelerometer built in, got that on a dyno?'

Good idea they have there...
I am using code to determine engine acceleration by rpm change / ms in my logger software.

I use it as an option to ignore 1st gear hard acceleration data when reading the map samples.

It would be more accurate for testing a specific throttle / rpm area after tuning but conditions would need to be identical..


I might look into adding an accelerometer sensor to the board to measure actual g-force..or even just to 1 of the 2 additional external inputs I left available..

Thanks!

 

[theknurl]

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Noel, how does this help Eric sort out his bike?

I told him how to fix his sticking brake pistons, explained MV wheels and brake discs said Ducati has 5 bolt discs too
Putting the bike on a dyno is a total waste of time and money unless he has the ability to reprogram the chip
I told him to go to Adam.....
Adam has free diagnostic software
He sells a data logger and readymade chips

That would be plug and play......thought that would be very helpful

Guess not:wink2:

Adam ; found 3 axis accelerometers on eBay, almost all are the same......how about $1.73 ?

 

[silentservice703]

Noel, it's the rest of the diatribe that does you disservice, Curmudgeon or not.

 

[theknurl]

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Shit Brembo callipers off a BMW R1150 RT.......100,000mi
Notice that a piece of swarf was trapped between the halves at the Factory?
Not too warped ......lapped on 1/2" plate glass

 

[EricZ]

So just to update the post, I ended up cleaning up the calipers and finding the left front rotor carrier was bent, warping the rotor, which pushed the caliper pistons in with each wheel revolution, causing the brake lever to feel soft. I sourced Brembo Oro rotors to replace the bent factory pieces and they fit & work just fine. I'm not a huge fan of the Brembo Oro hub which is thicker and has different geometry than the stock rotors, but it still looks ok. Went with EBC HH pads, which I have liked on other bikes so I'm sure they will be just fine for this thing, especially on the street.

I had a local suspension shop, Fast Bike Industries, rebuild the forks and the bike feels a lot better now that the forks have the right amount of fluid in them again. I also replaced the tires with Bridgestone S22s.

I have not addressed the low load/part throttle slight stumble/misfire between 3k-5k rpm, but I'll step thru a throttle body sync to ensure things are balanced as possible, then go from there. I'm sure she can be cleaned up a bit more compared to how she currently runs. Overall, happy with the refresh and I look forward to getting to know her better!

 

[AndreSantos]

Hey! I’ve been thinking of getting a bit taller windscreen for my f4 1078 because i like the side profile better, and yours looks nice. Does it have any branding on it? Cheers

 

[EricZ]

Hey! I’ve been thinking of getting a bit taller windscreen for my f4 1078 because i like the side profile better, and yours looks nice. Does it have any branding on it? Cheers

There's no branding that I can see, but I'm pretty sure it's a Zero Gravity Double Bubble screen. I installed it for the previous owner of the bike.....I think over 10 years ago. It looks good and makes things pretty comfortable. I can't even recall what the stock windscreen looks like.