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I read with great interest everyones "disappointment" with the 2008 MV lineup. Certainly there are bits of the brutale, and the F4 that we would love to have on our bikes. Each of us has desires for specific "upgrades."

So why is it that none of us are "turned on" to the newer bikes? Having seen a CC being prepped for delivery today, I was salivating at the titanium pipes and Brembo brakes. But coming home an "relooking" at my Tamburini, I realize that my bike needs nothing. Do I really need to dump ~$4K on the pipes and ~$3K on the brake upgrade? NOT. It looks, runs, brakes wonderfully and gives me a woody just as it is. At 7300 miles, it still is the only motorcycle I want to ride, and nothing else stirs my soul.

The last thing I need is more power to go faster; and I have no plans in the next year to drag race a 747 down a runway.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that few of us are turned on by the new machines because we already have MVs that are beyond our needs and a few simple mods "make them our own." So we really have NO need to upgrade our timeless pieces of wonderful machinery.

I have no idea what the folks at MV Italy are thinking, but I suspect financial concerns limit revolutionary changes. I suspect that the "new" F4 that really is worthy of our praise will be a bit expensive, maybe a "special," and then MV will be criticized for putting such a pricey beast on the market.

Anyway, just some thoughts to stimulate responses.

and as you ALL know...292 is :king:

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Well, from what I'm reading, since the F4CC came out, there's been a disconnect with some MV owners. Some feel the company has moved away from motorsports and become more of a fashion statement.

Personally, I wasn't suprised a new design did come out this year. I'm expecting it in 2009.
 

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There are some very interesting points there. I wonder if MV Agusta are trying harder to expand their customer base and existing owners (like ourselves) aren't tempted to upgrade.


I've had my 916 for years and I don't really want a 1098. I'm happy.

My Brutale 750 I've had long enough to feel very happy with too.

I hope my wife doesn't read this.:jsm:
 

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I think alot of the reason we are unimpressed is with the design being 9 years old (I think) it has lost some of its specialness. It needs an update, while its not bad it just needs that extra special spice it had when it originally came out. The fresh new look.

A new paint scheme does not quite cut a new look for me.
 

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I read with great interest everyones "disappointment" with the 2008 MV lineup. Certainly there are bits of the brutale, and the F4 that we would love to have on our bikes. Each of us has desires for specific "upgrades."

So why is it that none of us are "turned on" to the newer bikes? Having seen a CC being prepped for delivery today, I was salivating at the titanium pipes and Brembo brakes. But coming home an "relooking" at my Tamburini, I realize that my bike needs nothing. Do I really need to dump ~$4K on the pipes and ~$3K on the brake upgrade? NOT. It looks, runs, brakes wonderfully and gives me a woody just as it is. At 7300 miles, it still is the only motorcycle I want to ride, and nothing else stirs my soul.

The last thing I need is more power to go faster; and I have no plans in the next year to drag race a 747 down a runway.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that few of us are turned on by the new machines because what we already have MVs that are beyond our needs and a few simple mods "make them our own." So we really have NO need to upgrade our timeless pieces of wonderful machinery.

I have no idea what the folks at MV Italy are thinking, but I suspect financial concerns limit revolutionary changes. I suspect that the "new" F4 that really is worthy of our praise will be a bit expensive, maybe a "special," and then MV will be criticized for putting such a pricey beast on the market.

Anyway, just some thoughts to stimulate responses.

and as you ALL know...292 is :king:

Peter
I think Peter has summarized my outlook very well. I, for one, am not disappointed at all in the '08 MV lineup.

I'm on my third Brutale, not because I needed it, or that I was even remotely capable of using it to it's potential. I traded up from a 750 to a 910S to a 910R. Not because it made sense (it didn't, especially financially!) I traded up because I wanted the latest, and greatest. I think I'm done for a while. That being said, the 989 and the 1078 are very interesting in my opinion.

As for F4's, we are criticizing what will likely go down as the high water mark in contemporary motorcycles. Yes, it's a little long in tooth, but the ultimate replacement may well fall short in any number of catagories: i.e. styling, build quality, price/performance quotient, etc. (Think of the 999 Ducati) Thirty years from now, those of us not hiding our own Easter Eggs will be remembering the good old days of their F4s from the turn of the century. We need to recognize that we are enjoying the good old times right now.

As for MV's marketing strategy: They're in business to make a profit. With limited resources, they are trying to maximize their return. From a business perspective, that makes lots of sense. After all, a financially healthy MV is ultimately in our best overall interest. Agreed? Comments?
 

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I think it's a big combination of things.

In my opinion, as far as looks, it's really hard to beat what's already been released. Your Tamburini was probably really the high point. The CC is not really any better, in my opinion. It's just exclusive for the sake of it.

I still look at my regular F4S 750 and I can hardly believe I own an MV. I don't want anything else. I mean, if I had the chance to have an Oro or an Ago, I might do it but I probably wouldn't ride the snot out of those like I do this one, so this one is just fine.

I think MV is just nickel and diming us to death with new models. They certainly haven't done much to cause current customers to buy new stuff. Why should we buy new stuff? We've already made our decision and probably most of us are already extremely happy with our bikes.

From the outside all these new models must seem pathetic to some portion of the population.

On the other hand, the 312 posted the fastest lap time of the Roadracing World test, impressive for an "oudated, overweight" bike. But they still hated it! How can this be?

I think the promise that they had and were building on back in the early years of the rebirth just doesn't exist anymore, and they are just doing themselves more harm than good with all these redundant "new" models.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. How can a company capable of making such great bikes seem to be so misguided?
 

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My R is less than a year old so I was glad they did not come out with a different looking bike and make mine dated. This is what I disliked about the jap bikes, every 2 years it was a different bike. I like the fact that I can upgrade items on my bike and be able to switch them over later if I purchase a new one. I know they can only go with the same body style for so long. I like the small upgrades and not completely new models.

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I quite love my Senna. The noise, the vibrations, its quite a dramatic experience throwing the leg over one. I just wish the marque does not 'cheapen' themselves and to me these new models look liek they are trying too hard to steal Ducati's glory in that the 1098 won the world supertstock, have the desmo RR, won the motogp championship and got the 1098R out after the WSBK agreed to allow 1200 cc twins. MV is like "LOOK AT ME!!" hence the ridiculous F4CC...hence the 1080. That disappoints me.
 

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Definitely reflects my feelings. I do think, however, that because MV wants to be the supreme of the supreme, it has to keep up with being the fastest, most powerful, best looking, and ultimately the best performing bike around. By making the change to 1078 it puts itself in an "almost" league of its own, and finally upgrading parts such as the monoblocks and such. I guess they are just patching any area where people aren't seeing "premium" written on it.

I'm perfectly happy with the Brutale 910S, and the F4 1000 Ago. I test road both the 910R and the 910S and knew immediately the 910S was everything i needed (and much more). Seeing how much of a wild ride the 910 can be already, i can't imagine what a 989 or 1078 brutale would be like.

I just know that on paper, MV will have the "meanest" machines out there, and most beautiful. I guess that's the look they want. I'm sure they know they are producing machines that 99% of the people out there cannot take advantage of.
 

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Good question Peter....


I don't really see any of this as a disappointment. Maybe I just didn't expect too much? I wasn't sitting around waiting for new pics, etc. I have a couple very nice ones, if I need/want another in a year or two, I'll see what other nice ones are available and go from there.

I'm actually happy they still look like an MV.... they are slowly evolving, but nothing crazy....


People fear change....i'm one of them.... lol....
 

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I also am not disapointed. The new models will come, when MV are ready, just because they were not at this Milan show does not mean they won't appear.

I am very happy with my red/silver 1000S with star wheels and nissans. I have it really sorted and can't see any point in getting rid of it. It is a keeper, I am happy about that.

MV has allways said it wants to be a premium brand, and is continually tweaking the F4 to add premium upgrades. I just had a friend who was getting a 1098s, he went and had a test ride on a 312R. He now owns it!.These are fine machines for sure, but for a select few who appreciate it. If not there are ton's of machines out there to choose from.

The 1080 F4 and Brutale are outrageous for sure, I don't understand why people are offended by that. If you don't want one, don't get one. Ducati bring out a 1098 and for any extra 100cc all sorts of people go nuts. MV do similar and they get slammed, they can't win. You have Ducatisti salivating at the prospect of a 180hp R model, MV bringiout a bike with more HP and gets slammed, weird?

Ducati just brought out a new Monster. This was another watershed bike over 10 years old. If they hadn't brought it out Ducati would be slammed. So they bring one out and still get slammed (check out the Duacti sites), they can't win.I am sure if the F4 had a major re design it would get slammed. So it isn't and it still gets slammed.

Since I brought my firts F4 750 to the new ones just released everything has been upgraded (engine, electrics, fuel inj, suspension, wheels, brakes etc etc) only thing the same is the aesthetics (which are perfect), so what is to complain about?

Bike guys are a harsh bunch.
 

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Since I brought my firts F4 750 to the new ones just released everything has been upgraded (engine, electrics, fuel inj, suspension, wheels, brakes etc etc) only thing the same is the aesthetics (which are perfect), so what is to complain about?.
Good point !!!!

Just like the 916 that proceeded it...the last 998R was a far cry from the first 916...i loved watching that decade of refinement and evolution...each year the advancements appeared, the brakes got better....the engines evolved...

Neither Ducati nor MV could afford to whip out new clothing for their bikes every couple of years....Tamb. preaches evolution, and thank god he does.

I think we're seeing the same with the F4...the first 750s is now a far cry from the latest 312RR....almost coming up on a decade of progressive evolution of basically the same design....just like the 916

Now, if we could just get them to stop throwing crappy decal designs and paint jobs at the bike, i'd be happy...they seem to be on a downward spiral every year...that "1078" decal on the tank...bloody awful.\

Stop it MV...keep it simple, you are suffering GSXRphobia !!!!!
 

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What??? No new Tamburini??? Sh*t, I guess I'll continue being a very happy motorcycle owner with what I already have... :)

Nice points of view, from all, and it certainly was an evolutionary year, vs. revolutionary. But, small changes and refinements over the generations WILL make for a very fine product for the next person who joins our little corner of the two-wheeled world.

The new R1 looks cool, though...

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I don't get al this bashing. Why are peoples, which own a MV Agusta already, disgusted about new Models. Why are they crying about to much power. Why are they whining about future models, which are sayed to be not presented before 2009. There are Guys in our Forum which spend thousands to upgrade their bikes with Titanium, Carbon etc. But if MV is building these Bikes byself und You can get them from the Shelf as this, than they are pissed. Here are probably Fellows who appreciate the Design of the F4, the Brutale and or are excited about the legendary history. Here are others who believe that 200 HP and 200mph aren't the limit, and which have to have every Year the fastest Bike in Town. This is leaving me to where are they going with this warp speed in US ? At least I rode already several times with 175 mph on German Autobahn's but I must admit that this is no Joy. So than are other Fellows who believe their 1000 is to powerful for the Race Track and whished to have a 500 Mito or a 675 Triple. Well if they can't wait the time, why aren't they are getting a Triumph or BB1 for abusing them on tracks. I think the marketing department of MV Agusta is doing a fairly good Job. I will not judge the apearance of the new line up before I have seen them in Nature. But I'm hundred percent sure they didn't build this Bikes for me. I'm happy with my 750 and wouldn't want to spend 25000 for a Bike which I need like a hole in the head. However I can't wait to be there at EICMA this Weekend.
 

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Well, from what I'm reading, since the F4CC came out, there's been a disconnect with some MV owners. Some feel the company has moved away from motorsports and become more of a fashion statement.

Personally, I wasn't suprised a new design did come out this year. I'm expecting it in 2009.


Well said Allan my friend! The next thing we will here about, MV will be working with Vitton luxuary goods. Perhaps it will appeal to the must have brigade, but certainly not me. There still will be a new bike in 2009, just MV trying to screw more money out of their customers!
 

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Velocemoto, I agree with you on the decals, but I didn't want to complain about such a thing. I think the earlier F4 paint schemes are still the best, and yes they should keep them simple.

As for the CC I still don't get why so many people are offended by it. I just saw it and it is simply stunning. If I had the money I would have one, I don't so I can enjoy from the point of being associated with it. All the allocation here was sold before they landed, and are going to be used. So what's wrong with that?
 

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Good point !!!!

Just like the 916 that proceeded it...the last 998R was a far cry from the first 916...i loved watching that decade of refinement and evolution...each year the advancements appeared, the brakes got better....the engines evolved...

Neither Ducati nor MV could afford to whip out new clothing for their bikes every couple of years....Tamb. preaches evolution, and thank god he does.

I think we're seeing the same with the F4...the first 750s is now a far cry from the latest 312RR....almost coming up on a decade of progressive evolution of basically the same design....just like the 916

Now, if we could just get them to stop throwing crappy decal designs and paint jobs at the bike, i'd be happy...they seem to be on a downward spiral every year...that "1078" decal on the tank...bloody awful.\

Stop it MV...keep it simple, you are suffering GSXRphobia !!!!!
+1 with Velocemoto (even if he's now on the Dark side riding a 1000cc :stickpoke )
I really don't wait a new design for the F4, it's still the best looking bike! For the paint scheme?... Simple is better...
When I bought my F4, I wasn't looking for the torquiest bike but for the most exclusive. I don't whan to change my SPR for a 1078... Maybe for F4SPR.. Take a 312, peel of the 312, paint it full red with a touch of silver, add forged pistons, titanium rods, polished ports, radial brake master cylinder and a 3 positions injection system (100hp, 150hp, and lets say 190hp with maximum torque at 10.000rpm)... somewhat of a race bike not a 1078 MV Busa...
Maybe next year will be a better one for me at MV, with an F3...
 

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+1 with Velocemoto (even if he's now on the Dark side riding a 1000cc :stickpoke )
I really don't wait a new design for the F4, it's still the best looking bike! For the paint scheme?... Simple is better...
When I bought my F4, I wasn't looking for the torquiest bike but for the most exclusive. I don't whan to change my SPR for a 1078... Maybe for F4SPR.. Take a 312, peel of the 312, paint it full red with a touch of silver, add forged pistons, titanium rods, polished ports, radial brake master cylinder and a 3 positions injection system (100hp, 150hp, and lets say 190hp with maximum torque at 10.000rpm)... somewhat of a race bike not a 1078 MV Busa...
Maybe next year will be a better one for me at MV, with an F3...
Where's the F41000 SPR, with sinister matt black paint, red frame, all the trick bits...and subtle, tasteful graphics..........

Why did MV drop such a cool, aspiring name like SPR {Sports Production Race}.....
 
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