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... boy I was glad to hop back on the MV!! :love:

Sure the Duke is far more user friendly and all, but its still got nothing on the MV. :D
 

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I like Dukes too, had a couple myself in the past, but I prefer the F4, the only thing I miss about the big V twins compared to the four is the torque when you wind it on out of a corner which lifts the front end. See Velocemoto's vids. Used to love doing that on my 996. :)
 

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Yes, I would be also very interested in your report, the 'S' version has always intrigued me, maybe not as a comparo against the MV but for what it is against value for money would be good
 

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I also test rode a 2003 999s & a Brutale 910 about 2 month ago the day that I paid the deposit for the Senna.

Before I tell you what I thought, this is what I ride:

for the street: 2003 R6 and 98 916(just sold it 2 month ago)

for the track: 2003 Derbi gpr/metrakit pro race kit 72, 2003 R6, 2005 ZX6R at the California Superbike School classes.

I was able to ride the 910 and the 999s back to back, in that order, it was a 5 mile ride on the streets(about 10% city, 30% highway, and 60% twisty roads in the mountain)and this is what I noticed about the 999s

the ergo is drastically different from my 916, bar reach is relatively long still but the seat height is surprisingly low(even lower than my Derbi), I felt close to the ground. the tank was very narrow which I liked a lot, the rearset was too far forward to my liking, with the low seat, stretched arms and foward and low rearset it felt very odd to me. the eigine is stronger than my 916 but the power curve felt very similar, I was surprised that the steering was extremely heavy at low speed, to make sure it wasn't me, I focused on using good counter steering technique to make sure it wasn't the ergo that makes me push the bars in a less effective way (down instead of forward) but it was still very heavy, it felt vividly like I was overcoming the centrifugal force of the wheel (like trying to turn a spinning bicycle wheel in your hands). at higher speed it was a bit lighter, but still required more muscle than any bike that have ever ridden, perhaps it's because that "stubburn stability", it was very stable and planted in the turns.

I didn't feel confident with the bike, the flickability or lack of it was a big issue for me, likely it's just me(riding mostly lighter bikes) not used to it but
I have also gotten the same comment from others.

I have always been a pure sportsbike enthusiast so I wasn't expecting too much before riding the 910 but was I very surprised, 910 was a real blast to ride, nice and responsive power, agile, very flickable, confidence inspiring and just plain FUN... riding the 999s after the 910 was a bit of let down in almost every way.

That is my 1st impression of 2 bikes, again they were just short rides on streets but the 910 left me day dreaming about how to justify to my wife for wanting to buy it with the Senna.
 

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I tested the 999S and after I got off I said "this is the best bike I have ever ridden" - Spanks all over my MV - but I have a 750 and have never ridden the 1000.

Everything about it was better than my 750 though. No contest. :blah:

come on dude........... :loser:
 

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Nice write up Odonata, thanks

Desmoworks, the 'best bike you have ever riden?' I have no intent in questioning your comments other than I have not read a ride report on the 999 or 999s that comes close to your comment!

As I said its your thoughts and thats fine by me, but I would have thought your MV would have walked all over the 999s in all major test criteria. Except maybe mid range torque....
 

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They make about the same power, obviously the ducati makes it lower and has more torque all the way around. The ducati has full Ohlins, radial brembos, etc...

So it has the 750 beat in components for sure - the rest is subjective, but as far as how it rides - I think it out handles it, definitely out brakes it, and is just easier to go fast on. It even weighs less. The ergonomics are nice as it is so adjustable, foot rests the tank/seat are even adjustable.

I must say though that the MV is better by far from the last generation Ducati superbikes of which I still have a 748 and 996. I just sold my 748R to get the MV. It is far more refined than the 916 series bikes - but in my opinion the newest generation Ducatis are unbelievable.
 

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They make about the same power, obviously the ducati makes it lower and has more torque all the way around. The ducati has full Ohlins, radial brembos, etc...

So it has the 750 beat in components for sure - the rest is subjective, but as far as how it rides - I think it out handles it, definitely out brakes it, and is just easier to go fast on. It even weighs less. The ergonomics are nice as it is so adjustable, foot rests the tank/seat are even adjustable.

I must say though that the MV is better by far from the last generation Ducati superbikes of which I still have a 748 and 996. I just sold my 748R to get the MV. It is far more refined than the 916 series bikes - but in my opinion the newest generation Ducatis are unbelievable.
Hard to argue with Desmo here...the 999s will walk all over an older 750 MV, and so it should.....stronger motor and better brakes are the major factors. i think most Ducatis are in general, easier to go fast on...sports twins in general I guess. I only rode a 999 for a brief amount of time, but it did feel easier to go quick on. Handling...such a subjective thing...always lover the front ends of any MV I've ridden..and Desmos comments on the older generation Dukes is spot on too. Even my old 2000 750 pisses all over a Ducati 748 and even the 748R...there's an old "Fastbikes" video which shows the same....the MV just romps away from the 748R.
Yet I've ridden a 748R, and owned a 748, and they are so much fun to ride hard....

I would, however love to see a 2003/2004 999s up against an equivilent year SPR750....I think that would be a wonderful contest... :)

Pricing is interesting too here in Australia...
999s around $37,000 and the MVF4 1000 around $32,000. I know price shouldn't really be a factor with these types of bikes, but I ask the question: is the latest 999s 5 grand better than MV's latest offering ??? Certainly not in build quality..but what about the preformance and ride side?

..and the meager old 750 is still listed at $28,000............is it right to compare it to a bike that is newer and listed at almost 10 grand dearer ???
Price wise...the older F4 750 seems to equate well against a 749S with pipes...pricing is very similar.
 

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That is what is always hard about comparisons - the price. It is funny because that is usually where people stop the conversation, when the price is brought up. I think the new R1LE was being compared to the 1000 recently - I bet the price was a killer of the comparison.

Alas I guess I'd like to just own all of these bikes and not worry which is better :)
 

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Just because I own an MV - that doesn't mean I think it is the greatest bike on earth (like some people here), because it isn't. But it's up there.

put down the crack pipe my brother, maybe your on the wrong forum. the MV IS THE BEST BIKE BUILT. maybe you need to upgrade to a newer version. but whatever, your entitled to your opinion. Ducati are ass in my opinion. and the opinion of every Ducati owner i've come across so far who drops their jaw when i pull up next to them. :stickpoke
 

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what trhe hell...price of course is an issue, I just pulled out 'sportriders' Ducati 999r Vs a measly GSX-R1000. Now don't know about you but of all the mags around SportsRider is the main man, largest subs and most cred.

There was not one area that the Duc could be a contender in....!

Is it fair to do this comparo...if price is not an issue? Damn right, if Ducati want to play in the 1000cc market and then produce this machine to run with them, then price is a major factor.

In US $'s Ducati 999r $29,995..... GSX-R $10,849.

Now I ride an Italian bike with a premium over Jap stuff that it is in the market with..... but you now what, the MV 1000 will outrun and outperform all the Jap 1Lt stuff on the market for under 2x the price.

Hell I would buy a 999r at 3x the price and still come second..third...fourth...

Go figure...
 

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I think if you want to compare "apples with apples" from the 2 manufacturers, you have to take pricing into consideration.

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$62,000+ 999R versus $70,000 Tamburini {no contest}
$36,000 999S versus $32,000 F41000 {a lot more power for 4 grand less, and it looks good}
$24,000 749S versus $28,000 F4750 Evo 3 {spend a bit more than a 749s and you get a real bike:toothless }

I think MV have the upperhand moving into 2006:)
..and when you add the ever improving Brutale lineup against the ageing Monsters...
 

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I tested the 999S and after I got off I said "this is the best bike I have ever ridden" - Spanks all over my MV - but I have a 750 and have never ridden the 1000.

Everything about it was better than my 750 though. No contest. :blah:
I just read this for a second time Desmo.....it's intesting how you say it "spanks" your MV 750. when I rode the 999, the initial impression I got was that it had the edge over my 750, but not by a lot. Is the 999s that much better ???
I'm assuming you feel there's a large gap between the two..

Also, how often does the limiter light come on when you're riding the MV ???....that's where the grunt is :)
 

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Don't forget when comparing bikes relative handling/performance etc. that old walnut; tyres. :nerd:
 

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I just read this for a second time Desmo.....it's intesting how you say it "spanks" your MV 750. when I rode the 999, the initial impression I got was that it had the edge over my 750, but not by a lot. Is the 999s that much better ???
I'm assuming you feel there's a large gap between the two..

Also, how often does the limiter light come on when you're riding the MV ???....that's where the grunt is :)
Well, I have seen a fair share of that little light, but have only ridden the bike a few times as it is winter here - but we have been having many warm days. It also depends what 999's you are talking about - there is a big big difference now from when they came out in 2003 - BIG.

As far as comparing the bikes goes another spot that is the trouble which is a major issue in racing is the motors; comparing twins to fours.

I could care less about all of it, but the fact is the 2005-2006 999S is better than the 750 IMO. :toothless

I'm sure the 1000 is another story and it will make those same ducati's look like toys.
 

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Ok, I rode the 999s and the F4 1000 back to back... BUT the 999s only had 250km on it so I can't give a honest appraisal of the engine because I couldn't rev it past 5k RPM. Will find out what that is like when the bike has a few more miles clocked up.

Handling: Nice. Good around town, falls into low speed corners easily and very quickly. However, Ducati superbikes have always been at home on big open sweeping corners. The Ohlins suspension feels good - nice and compliant - a huge step over the 998 I rode in detail a few months ago, especially on the rough Australian roads.

Brakes: The 4 pot radial Brembos w/ sintered pads eat the 6 pot Nissins for breakfast. Seriously. Instant feel and bite, unlike the MV which I think lacks feel for the first part of the lever travel. Very strong front brakes make up for the hopeless rear brake.

Ergonomics: Seat is lower than the MV, you sit "in" the bike, rather than "on" the bike (which the MV feels like). Footpegs feel to be lower and slightly less ''crouched'' than the MV, BUT, the bike isn't set up for me (the owner is 3 inches taller). Reach from the seat to bars feels about the same as the MV, and it doesn't feel like your whole upper body is sitting on you wrists like the 998 used to. Seat is hard - harder than an MV or a 998 - would take some getting used to.

Engine and Gearbox: Nice and good torque, but stalls easy. Dry clutch is strange after using the very "bitey" MV clutch - ie more travel to contact point in the 999. Gearbox is nice, good, strong postitive action, but the distance between changes feels to be further than the MV. Throttle isn't as heavy as the MV, but is touchy (drive by wire I am told - is this true??). Even though it's touchy, it doesn't feel as responsive as the MV.

Anything else??

Overall, given that the price difference between a F4 1000 and a 999s is two parts of bugger all, they are on pretty even grounds. I would probably trade my F4 1000 on a 999s IF it had a bit more power - 143hp don't cut it verses 166hp - but that's just me. I am seriously considered swapping to the "other side" after this ride, but I think for me the F4 1000 is the right bike. I don't think it's the best bike in the world because that is impossible to judge, but for me the MV does everything I want it to and more without even raising a sweat.

Thats my 2c anyway. Any questions??
 
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