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My F4 1078 is reaching fast the 30.000 kms in 2 years and I´ve been using it in all ways - travelling, Track Days - without a single problem.
I´ve received a very nice deal to trade my bike for a used 2010 low mile F4R. Considering I´m planning to make more 10.000 kms in the next year should I accept the deal and discover a "new" MV?
It woul be nice to hear the pros an cons from people that made the move before. It´s curious but I still prefer the look and finishing of the older F4 but again considering the use and deal I think it´s time to move...for a probably "better" bike with 1.000 kms!
 

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Is the new bike really "better"?
 

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Im with mvart. Unless its an RR dont do it. Also if u have the option of having both then sure why not. But replacing it. NO WAY! Stick with your rare 1078. Just my honest opinion

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the 2010+ F4 is a much easier bike to ride.
I do love the 1078 though.
I would not give up the 1078.
 

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I wish people giving advice here would substantiate their opinions!

Asides from the looks which are PURELY subjective and personal, I feel I can give a rather objective comparison as I have owned a 2007 F4 1000R, currently own a 2010 F4 1000 and I have extensively ridden both 2012 versions of the F4. Almost all of it was on the track.

The older generation F4 only have one possible advantage and it is disputable whether it is an advantage - I guess it depends on the rider.
The older bikes have a lighter crank shaft which makes the engine a little more responsive. This at the same time can be seen as a negative as it is a contributing factor to the abruptness a lot of people have complained about in the past.

Everything else, the newer generation F4 is a better bike in every way. Better driveability and more predictable engine response, more top end power and better fueling make the engine better all around.
20 lbs less weight and more modern chassis geometry give the new bike a nimble yet planted feel with exceptional front end feedback and great predictability. The newer bikes suspension (all 2010+ versions) is much more compliant. The old bike is a heavy, sluggish beast comparatively. The new bikes (2012 +) have 8 level traction control that works beautifully.

The 2010 has less hp at 186 vs 195 and 201 for the 2012 models, but with the longer stroke engine, the power delivery is a bit more linear than on the 2012s. The top end rush of the 2012 (i.e. when the velocity stacks change from long to short) is simply mind blowing but you better be ready for it because once it hits, it goes to the rev limiter really quickly. I dare say that even the mighty BMW would have a hard time keeping up.

The 2012 RR has the Ohlins package which you just cannot beat. The 6 additional hp are more academic than anything else because you get to the additional ponies by reving the engine to well over 13k, something you will only be able to do on a track - maybe.
Money no option, buy the 2012 RR, if you have to watch your pennies get a 2012 R for about $6000 less (after tax) or a 2010 for even less. They are all incredible machines.

Strictly from a technological, ride quality, performance, and particularly handling standpoint, I would never go back to an older generation pre-2010 F4.
Plus I find the new bikes look every bit as good or better than the older ones.
 

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I'd calculate the cash difference in the deal and look at the option of using that money to tastefully upgrade your current bike (as an option, you may not have considered).
 

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I wish people giving advice here would substantiate their opinions!

I find the new bikes look every bit as good or better than the older ones.
You can't have it both ways Balz.......opinions are just that......opinions. You can't substantiate your personal opinion on looks. No one can.

As for which bike is "better" technically, I don't think many would disagree with you, but to many, that's not the point.

Look at the Ferrari 246 Dino versus its replacement, various versions of the 308. In every statistical way, the 308 is better than the 246, but really, which one would you prefer to own?

The market values the Dino at up to 10 times the value of the 308.

My point here, is that history will value the first generations of the F4 (750 thru 312) with a much kinder review than the current second generation F4.......performance inequality aside.

And yes.....I can't substantiate this......it's just my opinion.
 

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I agree with both Balz and Randy, if that's possible.

Randy, the older F4 will always be special to me and I do think it looks better than the new model, not because the new model is ugly, but because I don't think it is quite as unique when it came out as the older F4's were when they came about.
And that is the problem, I think, with some of the "older" owners on here, a lot of sentimental value in the thought process. (Nothing wrong with that though)

As for performance, Balz is right there, I would not mind plodding around on a new "RR", and I think the new F4R will improve even more as time goes by, right now I just think the F3 looks that bit more unique.

On the other hand, I feel most of us (not all unfortunately) are here because we love MV the brand and would love to see it succeed well into the future.
Therefore I think it's a good thing to encourage people to buy the new bikes, and not just constantly tell them how crap they are etc.....even if we don't always love everything about the new bikes, life moves on and I feel you either support the brand or go somewhere else.

We all know if you sell bikes things mostly keep going, and if everybody just keep buying the older bikes then the company will grind to a stop, and not only that, we will run out of spares for our old bikes too.:jsm:
 

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You can't have it both ways Balz.......opinions are just that......opinions. You can't substantiate your personal opinion on looks. No one can.

As for which bike is "better" technically, I don't think many would disagree with you, but to many, that's not the point.

Look at the Ferrari 246 Dino versus its replacement, various versions of the 308. In every statistical way, the 308 is better than the 246, but really, which one would you prefer to own?

The market values the Dino at up to 10 times the value of the 308.

My point here, is that history will value the first generations of the F4 (750 thru 312) with a much kinder review than the current second generation F4.......performance inequality aside.

And yes.....I can't substantiate this......it's just my opinion.
Wow Randy, you are exemplifying bad journalism as so often employed by our liberal (dare I say socialist) media. You left the entire meat of my statement out!
OMG, Randy Daddy has gone LIBERAL!!!! :stickpoke:thewife::)

Randy, while opinions by definition will always be subjective, one absolutely CAN substantiate an opinion, i.e. explain ones reasons for forming an opinion. If you were to give your opinion that the 1078 F4 is better than the new one means nothing and is completely uninformative, unless you explain the reasons why you formed that opinion. That is what I was asking.
 

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I think best solution is to try and ride the new F4. If you like it more go for it.

Otherwise by asking around you ll get all kind of answers and you ll get more confused.
 

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I think best solution is to try and ride the new F4. If you like it more go for it.

Otherwise by asking around you ll get all kind of answers and you ll get more confused.
I found good point of views here even the short answers:)
I do need to test the new F4 and see if the extra money is worth the effort. In my mind new is - normally - always better and don´t have doubts about it, so i recognise all in favour of the new model. The question is I figure that in two more years I´ll get fast to the 50.000 kms and to be honest never counted what that would cost in terms of maintenance to my wallet not to mention the famous "conrod attack" on the second cylinder that sometimes comes to my mind!
I do love the RR - white MV´s - but there´s a second hand for sale but with a much higher price and also low mile.
I don´t understand why people buy a new bike and sell within a year with 1.000 kms...but again considering I make more than 15.000 kms a year on a bike I should have a Multistrada not a sportbike:naughty:
 

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Randy, while opinions by definition will always be subjective, one absolutely CAN substantiate an opinion, i.e. explain ones reasons for forming an opinion. If you were to give your opinion that the 1078 F4 is better than the new one means nothing and is completely uninformative, unless you explain the reasons why you formed that opinion. That is what I was asking.
Fair enough.....first, I never said the 1078 was better, just more desirable (IMO)

As for substantiation.......here goes..... I've been a student of automotive and motorcycle design since I was 18 years old (40 plus years). My degree from Georgia Tech is in Industrial Design. I've been a motor head since I was 3 years old. My perspective on design is colored by my opinion that, in general, the first generation of a design is the high water mark.

Examples? How much time do you have? here's two....

1963 Corvette Split Window versus 1964 Corvette. At the time, everyone raved over the new and improved '64 with the one piece rear glass.....to the point that hundreds of '63 owners modified their cars to emulate the new model. Today? Car for car, the 63 will bring 10-20k more than the 64.

Ducati 916 versus 996 and 998. Which bike is the "better" bike? Undoubtedly the 996 and 998, but which one brings the cheese? The original.......why? Provenance in my opinion.

Yes, of course, there are examples that go the other way ('39 Ford versus '40) but generally, again in my opinion, the first shot of a design is the best.

Finally, as it relates to our personal interests, first and second generation F4's, I'm all about attention to detail. Items like fit/finish, weld quality, paint,decals,etc. In general, esthetics are important to me. I've been selling cars professionally for 36 years now, and I can "substantiate" that it's a whole lot easier to sell a pretty car (or motorcycle) than an ugly one.

I recently owned a BMW R1150RT, and had a serious interest in the R1200RT when it came out.......until I saw it in person. My BMW dealer friend was sensitive to the fact that the newer (and much better) R1200 was uglier than a mud fence. "But Randy, you've just got to ride it.....".

No, and hell no! Life is too short to be married to an ugly woman, or ride an ugly motorcycle. I'm not saying the second gen F4 is ugly, but I am saying that it is a later day '64 Corvette.

Your thoughts?
 

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Purely from a bystander's perspective (I've yet to own an MV), but closely following the aesthetic iterations since the first one at the Art of the Motorcycle exhibit in the 90s, I agree with what was said above. 05/06 are my favorite years, visually, and that's what I'll get. Get the one that stirs more emotion, whether visually or when mounted.
 

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My own F4 1078RR has just past the 30000 kms mark, never a problem either. (commuting a lot with it)
I'm on the same boat, i'm thinking of replacing it, just to experience something else, but honestly, right now nothing stirs my soul. I'm stuck.

Since I love triples, i'll give the F3R a go when it comes out, a light 800cc triple should be fun, if it is, i'll probably get that.
 

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wow randy i didnt knw u were an industrial designer by trade , very cool.
I may not knw as much as Randy given that he is older and wiser and more successful than i am. but dam what great words. couldnt agree with u more. well put my friend well put


Fair enough.....first, I never said the 1078 was better, just more desirable (IMO)

As for substantiation.......here goes..... I've been a student of automotive and motorcycle design since I was 18 years old (40 plus years). My degree from Georgia Tech is in Industrial Design. I've been a motor head since I was 3 years old. My perspective on design is colored by my opinion that, in general, the first generation of a design is the high water mark.

Examples? How much time do you have? here's two....

1963 Corvette Split Window versus 1964 Corvette. At the time, everyone raved over the new and improved '64 with the one piece rear glass.....to the point that hundreds of '63 owners modified their cars to emulate the new model. Today? Car for car, the 63 will bring 10-20k more than the 64.

Ducati 916 versus 996 and 998. Which bike is the "better" bike? Undoubtedly the 996 and 998, but which one brings the cheese? The original.......why? Provenance in my opinion.

Yes, of course, there are examples that go the other way ('39 Ford versus '40) but generally, again in my opinion, the first shot of a design is the best.

Finally, as it relates to our personal interests, first and second generation F4's, I'm all about attention to detail. Items like fit/finish, weld quality, paint,decals,etc. In general, esthetics are important to me. I've been selling cars professionally for 36 years now, and I can "substantiate" that it's a whole lot easier to sell a pretty car (or motorcycle) than an ugly one.

I recently owned a BMW R1150RT, and had a serious interest in the R1200RT when it came out.......until I saw it in person. My BMW dealer friend was sensitive to the fact that the newer (and much better) R1200 was uglier than a mud fence. "But Randy, you've just got to ride it.....".

No, and hell no! Life is too short to be married to an ugly woman, or ride an ugly motorcycle. I'm not saying the second gen F4 is ugly, but I am saying that it is a later day '64 Corvette.

Your thoughts?
 

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wow randy i didnt knw u were an industrial designer by trade , very cool.
I may not knw as much as Randy given that he is older and wiser and more successful than i am. but dam what great words. couldnt agree with u more. well put my friend well put

Thanks amvf.......I'm not an industrial designer by trade, just by education and interest. I'm just a car salesman.......with good taste in women. :naughty:
 

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If my 1078 did 30,000km with no problems I wouldnt change it. Because maybe the new one coming along may not do 30.000kms without a problem.

Mine does have a few issues by the way. .and only 16000km

Just a thought.
 

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My GS500 had 32000 miles on the clock when I traded it in. There were no issues with the bike I just wanted something a bit more suited to carrying the extra weight of my luggage on my daily commute.
Bikes are built to last and I know several people that have had to replace the clocks after putting 100,000 miles on them. The key to make it last it lots of maintenance.
 
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