[jeroen.surf.nl]

Hello everyone, my Brutalia is giving me more grief than joy at the moment
The top end is fine, above ~4000 rpm she goes like mad, but below she's almost undrivable.
The issue is that with constant throttle the revs go up and down like crazy.
See youtube video, listen to the audio. This is with steady throttle in neutral. When driving the same issue, causing really hard jerks and impossible to drive.

Anyone any tips or insight about a possible cause? Thanks!

 

[silentservice703]

This is standard B3 800 RR driveability. Get into your dash menu and change your throttle response.

FWIW, performance below 4000rpm is shaky at best across the line due to ECU tuning.

 

[jeroen.surf.nl]

Is this something that can be solved by tuning on a dyno you think?

 

[silentservice703]

Yes, it can if you have a tuner that can get into your ignition tables and fuel tables.

The fueling is a mess below 4000 rpm as is the ignition timing.

In the meantime, there are adjustment you can make through the dash in Custom Mode that will help.

 

[jeroen.surf.nl]

Ok time to go to the tuner then I guess Thanks for the help Silentservice703!

 

[whp]

thats not normal! Maybe you didnt get any ecu update on your bike? Seems lika an italia so this must be 2012-2015 and if its an early one maybe it never seen any update! There were several updates for the b3s! Go to a dealer first an let them update the ecu. If the problem still ist there you need to find the problem.

btw did you realy got 50000 kms on the b3? And if so this problem wasnt there at the beginng? Then there must be something wrong, maybe airleak, damaged
lambda probe...

 

[silentservice703]

Sounds like a cold MV trying to run.

 

[silentservice703]

So, the question is: What maintenance has been done to the bike? Fuel system serviced?

Honestly, I didn't watch the video until now. It is hunting. Causes can be vacuum related or fuel related.

 

[jeroen.surf.nl]

Well, I just found out the problem 100% ECU related. The mailman dropped by with a nice package I swapped my ECU for a dragster ECU with ABS (I mapped all the pins of both ECU's and all the pins match except speedo sensor and quick shifter) and, to my surprise, the bike now runs very very smoothly. The hunting is ~90% gone, barely noticable. Unfortunately I have to return the dragster ECU to the owner, but at least now I know the bike is OK and it's the ECU that needs work.

thats not normal! Maybe you didnt get any ecu update on your bike? Seems lika an italia so this must be 2012-2015 and if its an early one maybe it never seen any update! There were several updates for the b3s! Go to a dealer first an let them update the ecu. If the problem still ist there you need to find the problem.

btw did you realy got 50000 kms on the b3? And if so this problem wasnt there at the beginng? Then there must be something wrong, maybe airleak, damaged
lambda probe...

I bought it a year ago. Was a bit of a gamble The bike had 45000 km on it, but got its engine replaced at ~36.000 with an new engine. I got it for a very good price, so I gave it a shot. Changed all the fluids, brakes, spark plugs, and air filter. Fixed the rear hub issue. Did some thorough cleaning and polishing. The bike runs, steers and stops absolutely great, only the hunting at low rpm is a problem.

So, the question is: What maintenance has been done to the bike? Fuel system serviced?

Honestly, I didn't watch the video until now. It is hunting. Causes can be vacuum related or fuel related.

Well, that's a whole other story... So as said above I got the bike cheap and gave it some TLC. The hunting at low rpm was there all along, but not as bad as it is now. My guess was it still had some old firmware and maps so I decided to send out the ECU to get flashed with an "optimized" firmware and maps by a company named Carmo. They said it would take 2 days. After a week I called to check the status, and they said they had difficulties with my ECU and needed files from one of the tuners they work with. That didn't sound good at all and at that point I should have cancelled the operation but I asked them to continue. Couple days later my ECU was back... installed it... and the hunting was even worse than before. Terrible. I emailed them last week but got no response yet.

 

[silentservice703]

Well, I suppose that is Lesson Learned. ECU tuning is best done at a Dyno Shop with instant readouts and real time tuning.

 

[jeroen.surf.nl]

Amen!

 

[Bruce Taylor]

Similar problem on the DragsterRR Euro4 version, nightmare around 4000/6000 rpm.

Fault finally found by the UK No1 dealer Bennetts, faulty exhaust cannister, vast improvement:grin2:

But still not 100% in comparison to the two F3's that I owned before:frown2:

 

[Silvain]

Flashing ECU

Well, I just found out the problem 100% ECU related. The mailman dropped by with a nice package I swapped my ECU for a dragster ECU with ABS (I mapped all the pins of both ECU's and all the pins match except speedo sensor and quick shifter) and, to my surprise, the bike now runs very very smoothly. The hunting is ~90% gone, barely noticable. Unfortunately I have to return the dragster ECU to the owner, but at least now I know the bike is OK and it's the ECU that needs work.


I bought it a year ago. Was a bit of a gamble The bike had 45000 km on it, but got its engine replaced at ~36.000 with an new engine. I got it for a very good price, so I gave it a shot. Changed all the fluids, brakes, spark plugs, and air filter. Fixed the rear hub issue. Did some thorough cleaning and polishing. The bike runs, steers and stops absolutely great, only the hunting at low rpm is a problem.


Well, that's a whole other story... So as said above I got the bike cheap and gave it some TLC. The hunting at low rpm was there all along, but not as bad as it is now. My guess was it still had some old firmware and maps so I decided to send out the ECU to get flashed with an "optimized" firmware and maps by a company named Carmo. They said it would take 2 days. After a week I called to check the status, and they said they had difficulties with my ECU and needed files from one of the tuners they work with. That didn't sound good at all and at that point I should have cancelled the operation but I asked them to continue. Couple days later my ECU was back... installed it... and the hunting was even worse than before. Terrible. I emailed them last week but got no response yet.

Have you any results after the ECU flash by carmo. I have also a that problem under 4000 rpm the engine is not smooth ,difficult in the corners.the map custem can be a solution. :frown2::frown2::smile2: