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Found out the other day one reason why the police are blitzing the Old Road...

My mate's brother knew the double fatality and near fatality that occurred on the Old Road recently...

Three mates on 3 bikes are out riding and one of them takes a spill....The other two mates immediately stop and pick up the injured mate and proceed to the hospital (one mate is doubling the injured mate) and the other bike is following...(the spilled bike is left behind)...

On the way to the hospital, they go around a corner and a car is overtaking a slow truck on the wrong side of the road and wipes out the duo on the first bike and then slams into the second bike...

Results: the first bike with two riders onboard die almost instantly and the second bike rider remembers nothing at all and wakes up in hospital with brain damage, a broken collar bone, broken back, broken leg and arm and numerous cuts/abrasions..this only surviving second rider is now learning how to talk and walk again...the three riders were longtime great mates...

Driver is claiming defense of "the riders were speeding"....:eek:

Question: Why are the police blitzing bikers, when the car was overtaking on the wrong side of the road IN A CORNER ?????? :wtf:

How many cars on the Old Road have been pulled over and 'inspected' and given defect notices?

:( :cross: :mad:
 

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Found out the other day one reason why the police are blitzing the Old Road...

My mate's brother knew the double fatality and near fatality that occurred on the Old Road recently...

Three mates on 3 bikes are out riding and one of them takes a spill....The other two mates immediately stop and pick up the injured mate and proceed to the hospital (one mate is doubling the injured mate) and the other bike is following...(the spilled bike is left behind)...

On the way to the hospital, they go around a corner and a car is overtaking a slow truck on the wrong side of the road and wipes out the duo on the first bike and then slams into the second bike...

Results: the first bike with two riders onboard die almost instantly and the second bike rider remembers nothing at all and wakes up in hospital with brain damage, a broken collar bone, broken back, broken leg and arm and numerous cuts/abrasions..this only surviving second rider is now learning how to talk and walk again...the three riders were longtime great mates...

Driver is claiming defense of "the riders were speeding"....:eek:

Question: Why are the police blitzing bikers, when the car was overtaking on the wrong side of the road IN A CORNER ?????? :wtf:

How many cars on the Old Road have been pulled over and 'inspected' and given defect notices?

:( :cross: :mad:
sad to here,bikers are always perceived as speedsters,the cops will never understand,when we ride we have full concentration,speeding guns waste of time,they do not save lives,look around how many people are on there mobile phones,eating there lunch,punching in the gps,bending down picking up there drop smoke,doing there hair,shit the list goes on and on.bikers what do they do ,pay for there stupidity,they were speeding, what a load of crap.well thats my rant.sorry bud to here about this tragedy.
cheers eddy
 

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Found out the other day one reason why the police are blitzing the Old Road...

My mate's brother knew the double fatality and near fatality that occurred on the Old Road recently...

Three mates on 3 bikes are out riding and one of them takes a spill....The other two mates immediately stop and pick up the injured mate and proceed to the hospital (one mate is doubling the injured mate) and the other bike is following...(the spilled bike is left behind)...

On the way to the hospital, they go around a corner and a car is overtaking a slow truck on the wrong side of the road and wipes out the duo on the first bike and then slams into the second bike...

Results: the first bike with two riders onboard die almost instantly and the second bike rider remembers nothing at all and wakes up in hospital with brain damage, a broken collar bone, broken back, broken leg and arm and numerous cuts/abrasions..this only surviving second rider is now learning how to talk and walk again...the three riders were longtime great mates...

Driver is claiming defense of "the riders were speeding"....:eek:

Question: Why are the police blitzing bikers, when the car was overtaking on the wrong side of the road IN A CORNER ?????? :wtf:

How many cars on the Old Road have been pulled over and 'inspected' and given defect notices?

:( :cross: :mad:
This is diabolical on the facts as you've presented them & obviously I have not reason to doubt you.

As for the driver (I suspect on his lawyer's advice) is claiming speeding bikes as to establish contributory negligence. This is important for him as in NSW the penalties for Dangerous Driving Causing Death & Negligent Driving Causing Death (respectively) are as follows:

The maximum penalty for the offence of dangerous driving causing death is 10 years imprisonment. If the offence is aggravated the maximum penalty is 14 years goal. and,

The maximum penalty for the offence of negligent driving causing death is a fine of $3300.00 or imprisonment for 18 months or both (for a first offence) or a fine of $5500.00 or imprisonment for 2 years or both (for a second or subsequent offence).


You can now clearly understand see why they are looking to establish contributory negligence - trying to scale down the charge from Dangerous to Negligent.

Bottom-line is that's going to a tough bow to draw - you have a double fatality & a further near fatality for which the maximum penalty for the offence of dangerous driving causing grievous bodily harm is 7 years imprisonment. If the offence is aggravated, the maximum penalty is 11 years goal.

The argument that has to be overcome is that the accident would NOT have happened IF the car NOT been on the wrong side of the road. Could it have been avoided completely if the bikes were not 'speeding'? Providing that can be proven by accident investigations. That's what will be before the courts.

The driver will get some serious goal time no matter how they play it, it doesn't help any of the riders though.

Scary stuff - I've never ridden the Old Road so I have no idea of what is faced by cars or bikes but the police summarily jump on motorcyclists whenever there's a major crash and/or fatality involving bikes & cars. We had a judge overturn a ridiculous lower court decision against a motorcyclist here in the Gong recently that involved a fatality.

Occasionally you find some who has a clue but mostly prepared to have your brain tortured by the stupidity displayed by those that have never straddled a form of medium with less than 4 wheels.
 

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Bloody hell,what a horror story,I am just lost for words,makes me sick thinking about it,god I hope they throw the book at the car driver.
 

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Not good at all. The blitzing is still on the Old Road got pull over again last sunday by 2 cop car for a red reflector, intergrated blinkers, tyres, which have not reach the tyre indicator yet told me to change it , the rosso corsa tyres he thought was illegal tyre, & the standard 4 pipes at the back he wanted me change it to stock. WTF. But the other cop commented "what a beautiful bike, wow thats a nice looking bike."
This is what happen when you ride a MV a defect & a nice comment on the bike.
 

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Sad story R.I.P

Over here in the UK bikes get stopped and pulled over for a 'safety check' .
What a load of BS! . It does my head in! . Little scumbag chavs driving around in cars with bald tyres, no tax, insurance etc and they never get pulled over for a 'safety check' .
 

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I forgot to say I hope the families of the deceased get the best possible Baristers so the driver gets what he deserves,it still makes me sick thinking about it.
 

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I forgot to say I hope the families of the deceased get the best possible Baristers so the driver gets what he deserves,it still makes me sick thinking about it.
Doesn't work that way Mitchy.

The Police prosecute it - nothing to do with the families.

In compensation pay out terms - the injured guy will be more costly then the two deceased.

The more you look at it the more appalling it becomes.
 

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Rob,I often wonder about our judicial system and how fair it really is to the innocent victims.I would love to know the outcome.
 

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I've ridden on the Old Road about 5 times now, my mate crash there once.
Motorcyclist crashed and died almost every week on the Old Road.
It's an awesome road and i had some close call.
Few days ago, my mom called me and asked to stop riding motorcycle :(
 

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Rob,I often wonder about our judicial system and how fair it really is to the innocent victims.I would love to know the outcome.
That's the other problem Mitchy, by the time it goes to court it is quite possible 12-24 months could have elapsed from the date of the offence.

Many of us will be even struggling to remember the incident that's provided that we luck into seeing it reported on the news! So unless someone knows them personally like Glenn's brother then finding out the outcome is pretty hit & miss.

As far as judicial system goes, I'd rather be the driver than the 2 blokes on the first bike that's for sure.



I've ridden on the Old Road about 5 times now, my mate crash there once.
Motorcyclist crashed and died almost every week on the Old Road.
It's an awesome road and i had some close call.
Few days ago, my mom called me and asked to stop riding motorcycle :(
Hi HieuPhan, again welcome to the forum.

I ride Macquarie pass quite often - renowned road for turning motorcyclists into temporary Australians. I take my 17yo with me, he follows me on my F4 quite briskly on his Cagiva.

I regularly overtake cars on unbroken lines (but where I can clearly the whole distance I need to get past with ease). I never had a nervous moment or a close call. I was talking to some paramedics who told me if they a dollar for every time a victim told them "I was trying to keep up with my mate" they'd be wealthy.

Sounds easy, but know your limits & stay within them & your a good show of being an old motorcyclist.
 

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I've ridden on the Old Road about 5 times now, my mate crash there once.
Motorcyclist crashed and died almost every week on the Old Road.
It's an awesome road and i had some close call.
Few days ago, my mom called me and asked to stop riding motorcycle :(
I'm not sure where you got those statistics from.. every week sounds like full of shit!

The worse I've heard is about 6 deaths in the whole year.

This depends on the rider, the Old Road is pretty safe if you are not going ballistic which people do all the time.

If you only ridden there 5 times and you already had a close call, maybe you should be reviewing your riding technique.

The people I hear who crashes has red mist and ride over their limit and conditions of the road then blame the bike, brakes no good, tyres, other riders and drivers.

There are alot of blind corners at the Old Road and if you take them at high speeds without an exit strategy then you only have yourself to blame.

we ride the Old road all the time, and if you follow closely we may use the brakes only a hand full of time, ie stopping at T- intersection and slowing down at the end of a 35km ride. We do get our knees down where there is alot of runoff and clear vision but we don't go ballistic and people who do want to go ballistic we let them past.

I have experience a number of times whereby cars or riders cross over the other side onto my lane. I have enough room and vision to avoid head on even at speeds that I am comfortable at traveling.

I've been riding the Old road for a LONG time, on and off for over 20 years. I've never been done for speeding on the Old Road just warnings and recently one defect.

If your mate road the Old Road for the first time and crash well what can I say?? There are just too many variables to discuss. Just make sure he has full insurance and count himself lucky.
 

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Having only recently moved from Syd, and my Dad living on the central coast, I know of the Old Road well. There have been many stories from both 2wheeled & 4wheeled members, however I hear more about cars driving dangerously than bikes. Stories of young guys "drifting" & clipping bikes, over-taking on the wrong side. The old road hasn't gotten safer, that's for sure.
However, ride within your limit, life is more important. If u want to go ballistic - go to a track day.

And it doesn't help all those that say "motorbikes are dangerous" - motorbikes are vulnerable to dangerous drivers, of which there are far too many.

And my codolences to the families. Terrible news.
 

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I'm not sure where you got those statistics from.. every week sounds like full of shit!

The worse I've heard is about 6 deaths in the whole year.

This depends on the rider, the Old Road is pretty safe if you are not going ballistic which people do all the time.

If you only ridden there 5 times and you already had a close call, maybe you should be reviewing your riding technique.

The people I hear who crashes has red mist and ride over their limit and conditions of the road then blame the bike, brakes no good, tyres, other riders and drivers.

There are alot of blind corners at the Old Road and if you take them at high speeds without an exit strategy then you only have yourself to blame.

we ride the Old road all the time, and if you follow closely we may use the brakes only a hand full of time, ie stopping at T- intersection and slowing down at the end of a 35km ride. We do get our knees down where there is alot of runoff and clear vision but we don't go ballistic and people who do want to go ballistic we let them past.

I have experience a number of times whereby cars or riders cross over the other side onto my lane. I have enough room and vision to avoid head on even at speeds that I am comfortable at traveling.

I've been riding the Old road for a LONG time, on and off for over 20 years. I've never been done for speeding on the Old Road just warnings and recently one defect.

If your mate road the Old Road for the first time and crash well what can I say?? There are just too many variables to discuss. Just make sure he has full insurance and count himself lucky.
full marks on this,a bullet only travels straight
cheers eddy:drummer:
 

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SO sad to read and hear of this tradgegy, rip guys, and hope the surviving guy has decent recovery.
The old road is a safe road if you are not an idiot, I have travelled this road hundreds of times, and seen all sorts of crazies, if you drift onto the wrong side of the road or are overtaking cars or bikes on blind corners or over crests eventually you are going to end in tradgedy, so many times i have met with a another bike way on the wrong side of the road. These guys are not setting them selves up for the corners correctly, if you dont know the road slow down dickhead!
I generally avoid this road on weekends as all the would be racers are out, and there is always a spill somewhere.
What is amusing about this road is that many years ago when it was the main hwy nth out of sydney the speed limit was 60mph, 100kph, thats when cars, bikes and trucks were no where near the handling capabilities of current modern vehicles. Now the majority of thos road has a 60kph speed limit, jeez you would have to wonder why!! wouldnt be a safety reason would it! or maybe just a revenue raising effort.
As another guy said, go to the track and blow the cob webs out, and if youare not real sure of the road take it easy, if there is a continuing repeat of these sort of tradgedys it will only make the police come down harder on us all everywhere.
Ride safe.
 
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