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Well, that gold plaque is gaining value everyday, what with investors the world over investing in bonds and rare metals. :).
I would agree that $45,000 is quite a bit for an Oro.
 

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Based on what I know about recent F4 CC sales, I'd guess that this bike is $15-$20k too high.
 

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I must be missing something here cause I've been under the impression that the membership of this forum is intelligent if not sophisticated. However, I'm starting to question this notion. Does anyone have the slightest clue as to the countless hours it took to, not only bring this bike to the design table, but also to manufacture it? The price for this, the most significant of modern MV Agusta motorcycles, is spot on!
 

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I must be missing something here cause I've been under the impression that the membership of this forum is intelligent if not sophisticated. However, I'm starting to question this notion. Does anyone have the slightest clue as to the countless hours it took to, not only bring this bike to the design table, but also to manufacture it? The price for this, the most significant of modern MV Agusta motorcycles, is spot on!
WTF.....
>same motor.....what? maybe its got different cams and a different map BFD
>same chassis
>same molds for casting the swingarm, wheels, side plates and lower triple.....OK the mag costs a little more than the aluminum
>same harness, ECU, lights and controls
>OK they made some splash molds off the stock injection molds to do the carbon BFD.......thats way cheaper than the stock injection molds
>so now we're down to the name tag.......

way over priced

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WTF.....
>same motor.....what? maybe its got different cams and a different map BFD
>same chassis
>same molds for casting the swingarm, wheels, side plates and lower triple.....OK the mag costs a little more than the aluminum
>same harness, ECU, lights and controls
>OK they made some splash molds off the stock injection molds to do the carbon BFD.......thats way cheaper than the stock injection molds
>so now we're down to the name tag.......

way over priced

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There are quite some differences You ignorant. The engine of the Oro has a sand casted casing. The Oro has all the mag parts ever available for the F4, later sold by CRC Special Parts. This bike has a complete carbon fairing. It costed new roughly 37.000 Euro. It was the first F4 made and there were only 200 made. To find one that never turned a wheel and is in such great shape is something special. If You think it isn't worth as much is might Your personal opinion but there are might some collectors out there who would give a kidney for it if not even both. And it is a beautiful bike.
 

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There are quite some differences You ignorant. The engine of the Oro has a sand casted casing. The Oro has all the mag parts ever available for the F4, later sold by CRC Special Parts. This bike has a complete carbon fairing. It costed new roughly 37.000 Euro. It was the first F4 made and there were only 200 made. To find one that never turned a wheel and is in such great shape is something special. If You think it isn't worth as much is might Your personal opinion but there are might some collectors out there who would give a kidney for it if not even both. And it is a beautiful bike.
Thanks for that mate, I did not know half of this, that is why I love this site so much, I learn all the time. I might not pay that price if i had the money, but I do respect it a whole lot more sir.
 

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Hi Haupti,

you are wrong! The F4 Oro was built 300 times!
I wanted one in 1999 but it was sold out. But 4 months ago I just bought my F4 Oro which I always wanted.
Do I see you in St. Goar?

- ANDRÉ

 

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Sorry, how did I got it wrong ? Might by the 200 F3 Oro's occupying my head ? Anyhow, Yes I will be there. Looking forward seeing You Andre.
 

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There are quite some differences You ignorant. The engine of the Oro has a sand casted casing. The Oro has all the mag parts ever available for the F4, later sold by CRC Special Parts. This bike has a complete carbon fairing. It costed new roughly 37.000 Euro. It was the first F4 made and there were only 200 made. To find one that never turned a wheel and is in such great shape is something special. If You think it isn't worth as much is might Your personal opinion but there are might some collectors out there who would give a kidney for it if not even both. And it is a beautiful bike.

Exactly ! and don't forget the carbon airbox and gas tank .
 

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Lets let the market decide. Post up as soon as this bike sells and say "Dave, I told you so".
That's as clinical and concise as I can be on this subject.
 

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The Magnesium bits are not made on the same castings as the Aluminum ones. This I know to be true.
I think I read or heard somewhere that every Mag piece is sand casted. My 2000 750s has all the Mag bits (except for the triple clamp) and it shows the sand cast idea. The overall finish is quite rough compared to the standard Aluminum. And the frame pieces are machined on the outside facing surface.
You can instantly tell if it is genuine Magnesium or gold sprayed Aluminum once you had the chance to see them side by side.

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haupti;
one thing I am not, is ignorant

i am well versed in design and production and the costs involved

making mag castings from alloy patterns might require a correction for the shrinkage factor, no big deal

any engineer that would spec a sand cast crankcase when they are making high pressure die castings is a moron..... and the sand cast POS won't fit the tooling fixtures.....even the Italians aren't that stupid

they had a carbon tank and air box made and painted them?:wtf:

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haupti;


they had a carbon tank and air box made and painted them?:wtf:

yes , yes and yes .

obviously you never had the chance to touch a F4 750 Oro :naughty:

theknurl just learned something new :drummer:
 

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they had a carbon tank and air box made and painted them?:wtf:

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no one complains that their F40 came with paint, even though its super thin actually kinda crappy
 

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Either way, the F4 750 ORO is definitely significant to the history of motorbikes. Can't really say what the market is either way because of the rarity involved with one coming up for sale, let alone an unused one. If i had all the money in the world I'd definitely want to include one of these in a collection.. beautiful!

Great how many F4 750 ORO owners chimed in here. Great to have you all on board with the photos!
 

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haupti;
one thing I am not, is ignorant

i am well versed in design and production and the costs involved

making mag castings from alloy patterns might require a correction for the shrinkage factor, no big deal

any engineer that would spec a sand cast crankcase when they are making high pressure die castings is a moron..... and the sand cast POS won't fit the tooling fixtures.....even the Italians aren't that stupid

they had a carbon tank and air box made and painted them?:wtf:

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Noel You are right from the production method and prodcedures point of view. However I said it before the F4S had the better engine but the Oro was superior on chassis parts and the whole fairing, tank, airbox,... assembly. If You would have want to change Your F4S to an Oro you would have spend might 20.000$ in parts alone, if You bought it from CRC. If You look at performance and the latest and greatest You will of course never apreciate a F4 Oro. But than You will probably not understand why peoples are paying thousands, ten thousands or even hundred thousends for vintage bikes like a MV Agusta 750S, a Vincent Black Shadow, a Brough Superior etc. Alone to judge that a F4 Oro is an overpriced F4 Strada lookalike is plain unfair. And that a sand casted engine block is lesser accurate, probably heavier than the die cast engine blocks of the later models is true. I never doubt that. Might it costed more to sand cast them, might they could only get 300 casings sand casted, might the foreseen supplier couldn't deliver earlier die castings earlier, or the prototype crankcase was a sand cast and they duplicated it 300 times. What do we know. But it is a fact and another diffrence.
 

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Yes, without doubt the Oro, Tamburini, Veltro, CC, Ago, Senna, Mamba, Corse etc are amazing bikes to behold. I believe that a couple of them will be the MV Agusta 750S, Vincent Black Shadow, Brough Superior of the modern era - however it is just way too early to realize that sort of desirability. Fact is that the Brough Superior / Vincent took many more than 11 years (as is the case with the Oro) to become collectors items, and hence valued as they were in the 1980's onwards. Add in the current economic environment.....
I believe they just need more time - and their time will come.
 

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significant?

come on Alvin, significant to the history of bikes, a tarted up F4?
its not even a real MV

if i had the funds;
>a Van Veen Kriedler 50cc like Jarno rode
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/ZweiRadMuseumNSU_Kreidler_VanVeen.JPG
>a Morbidelli 125
http://www.cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/morbidelli/Morbidelli_1975_125cc_GP.htm
>a 250 Ossa like Sante rode
http://www.ozebook.com/az/ossa/image42.htm
http://www.ozebook.com/az/ossa/image37.htm
>a Honda RC-166 like Mike rode
http://ozebook.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/mike1.jpg
see his toes are sticking out of boot, my buddy Volker took that picture
>a short case 350 Yamaha like Jarno won Daytona on
http://www.classic-motorrad.de/fahrer/jarno2.jpg
then the 500s
>a CZ type 860 V4;
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=CZ+type+860+V4;&um=1&hl=en&client=opera&sa=N&rls=en&biw=1024&bih=577&tbm=isch&tbnid=ptJzhKripBbaoM:&imgrefurl=http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/forum/f14/cafe-racers-thread-44173/index146.html&docid=BkvvSHDy-MpgOM&w=720&h=463&ei=jWVUTs6SOYLbqgGsp8V8&zoom=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1xVfUUEI2k
>a MV triple
>a Linto
http://www.cybermotorcycle.com/euro/brands/linto.htm
guess who Fabio Taglioni copied?
>a Paton
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7gYNb3GSh4M/RsT_PGb8TLI/AAAAAAAABgA/V9xHCTzDscU/s1600-h/motopaton2.jpg
>a Gilera 4
http://www.motosolvang.com/bike_pages/1957_Gilera .htm
>a Norton Manx M30
>a Moto Guzzi V8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBdaBMmk6w8;
and for all you cunts, he starts it by pulling on the back tire...:naughty:
yes and i have friends that start speedway singles like that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdxI3faucvM&feature=related
>a Matchless G.50 by Fred Walmsley, Bazza's mechanic, for a track bike and run bean oil in it...
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photogallerys/Matchless.jpg
starting price base model $50,000
>a Egli-Vincent Black Shadow built by Patrick Godet;
http://www.godet-motorcycles.com/ and I worked for Fritz Egli
>a Vincent Black Shadow stock....well, no, with a double speed oil pump and a Bosch distributor:naughty:
>and one of John Britten's marvelous twins

>i'd like while i'm spending imaginary money
my mentor Ralph Britten Jr's '64 Ferrari SWB 250, the '64 European Hill Climb Championship winner......bought from the factory with Provo plates on it, prototype motor, Plexiglas windows, roll cage, shoulder harness, wrinkle paint and a cable to open the doors:mouthwate
i was supposed to drive it to my high school prom, but i broke my tail bone, couldn't sit down:cry:
later it sold for $3,400,000 without the prototype motor:wtf:

>and a '62-'63 250 Berlinetta Lusso GT in red with wire wheels/alloy rims and natural leather interior for nice days:)

the Oro is again, what?

right....a production bike with some bling

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