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What do you guys think from looking at these pics. The headlight mount is crooked when the steering stem is straight. What have I done to this poor bike :wtf:


 

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I believe it is more likely that the forks are misaligned in the triple clamps. Which is good news compared to the other scenario you have proposed.
In order to confirm exactly what is wrong you will need to take this to a specialist.
 

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We have no such specialist here. I'm almost certain it's bent.
 

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The brackets that hold the headlight assembly that are welded onto the steering head... Does anyone know if those should be perfectly in line with the frame lengthwise or are they slightly offset to the right. Because mine are 100% pointing slightly right. But I cannot see any frame damage whatsoever.
 

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I take it the bike was dropped? The brackets should be straight. For it to be off that far, can you see any cracks in the wields?
 

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The alignment of the mounting points of the headlight are exactly in line with the centreline of the bike. What does not make sense to me is that, if the headlight is now skewed significantly from the centreline of the bike, there should be corresponding deformation of the frame head. That is to say, it must no longer be circular. The only other scenario is at the trellis is torqued out of line. Either way - this requires inspection by a specialist, even if it means shipping it to them.
Sorry, but that is my best advice.
 

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Yes this bike was in a big crash. I cannot see any cracks or split welds. It Hit the right side pretty hard. It must be torqued out of alignment. Any chance of straightening this?
 

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Yes, there is every chance of straightening this frame if it is misaligned.
However, may I suggest looking for a complete used replacement frame.
This will probably be more cost effective considering the cost of the work required (repair & paint).
 

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I just bought a 2007 frame in excellent Condition with a money back guarantee for $1345.00 shipped to Canada. Pretty good?
 

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If your frame is as damaged as we think it is, then yes, that's not a bad price at all.
 

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Switching out the frame is not a hard project. Take your time and lots of pictures during the process. This way you can look back at them during the rebuild to see where cables ran and other brackets fitted. You can't take enough pictures.
 

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Roger that. Definitely will. I look forward to my new winter project.
 

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Roger that. Definitely will. I look forward to my new winter project.

I swapped a frame in a day...and I'm not a fast worker :)



However, The steering on pic#1 is turned slightly to the left.

You can easily check the frame general alignment by referring to the frame diagram in the manual which gives all the dimensions.

There is a very strong possibility that the bearing carrier inside the steering tube has broken. It is designed to do this. If you need one of these I have a spare one.

If you look at the bearing top nut it is off centre in the top yoke.

How does the steering feel when you turn it side to side..


Take your time..take a deep breath and take measurements. Start with measuring from the centres of the steering damper bolt holes to the centres of the headlight mount bracket left and right and compare. There actually is a misalignment measuring the screen shot but you'll need to do in more detail.

I have seen a frame damaged in the steering stem area but the damage was very apparent .

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David .. Is this bike going to be a "Track Use" only bike ?

If not, then what are you going to do about the frame number not corresponding with the vehicles ID registered paperwork ?

I don't know what the implications are where you live, but here in the UK the frame number is vital it matches the paperwork and has all sorts of detrimental knock on effects when it doesn't or has been altered..

I would always advise to repair the original frame where possible ( even if its not labour cost effective ) as in the long run it will give you less hassle when it comes to proving the bikes authenticity..



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David .. Is this bike going to be a "Track Use" only bike ?

If not, then what are you going to do about the frame number not corresponding with the vehicles ID registered paperwork ?

I don't know what the implications are where you live, but here in the UK the frame number is vital it matches the paperwork and has all sorts of detrimental knock on effects when it doesn't or has been altered..

I would always advise to repair the original frame where possible ( even if its not labour cost effective ) as in the long run it will give you less hassle when it comes to proving the bikes authenticity..



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Good point John..In the UK this would become a new bike as the identity of the bike is the vin number on the frame.

To do this seamlessly the donor frame would need to be from a UK registered bike....I tried to use a US frame and in the event had to pull it off the bike and use a UK frame..It simply wasn't worth the red tape...

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Wow, that is bent, can you see a crease in the frame on the right side near the light mount? and I hope your ok after the accident?

I have swapped frames (beyond economical repair) here in the UK and always kept the original to show the buyer upon selling the bike, I had an unregistered Swedish import that now has a UK frame and used the registration document for the UK bike frame supplied. I have no idea what sort of issue you may have in your country but worth checking before you go to far.

Good luck with the repair and keep us up to date.
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Nothing is seamless in the UK.. We invented the term "Red Tape" :).

As soon as you do a chassis or frame change, the flood gates become open and its a whole new ball game trying to secure the authenticity of the vehicle.. At best it will be registered on a "Q" plate, which in most cases devalues the vehicle instantly. Plus you would need to have the vehicle independently examined to certify it safe under the user construction laws...

Unless you have a unaltered frame or chassis with its corresponding ID registration document, then swapping over a vehicles frame/chassis isn't worth the hassle because of the burden of proof of its ID and the market devaluation..

David.. From the pictures you've posted, I don't think it would be a big issue to repair your original frame, as long as the main frame tubes aren't kinked.. All you need to do is take the bike to frame builder with suitable facilities to mount the frame on the jig and take some geometry readings.. After you established what is bent, a bit of heat and a tag here and there will work wonders..

First you need to strip the head stock completely and see if there is anything obvious...

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I have to say....your bike does not appear to have sustained enough significant damage to have bent the frame. The frame itself is a very robust structure. You have to really crash hard, like high side flip or head-on into an immovable object at speed, to bend a frame....there would be a lot of additional damage.

Your handlebar levers and clip-ones are fine. Hell, the fuel tank and tail section don't even looked rashed and the headlight is intact.

I'm with Dave in thinking you have bent the steering stem and forks, but the photos are not conclusive.

Take the front end, fuel tank and air box off the bike and look again.
 

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Thanks for the input guys. That is a new headlight unit. The other one was completely destroyed. After the bike lowsided it hit a tree and tumbled into a 10 foot deep ravine. The right side of the bike sustained all of the damage. The rad was massively damaged on the right side. The only way that light would point right is if the frame was torqued right near the steering head. As for how the steering feels? It feels like it should! Very smooth with no weird noises.
As for swapping frames I don't think it's an issue. This is an American bike which will get another American frame with a certificate. I will take more pics and measurements today and post them up. Stay tuned!
 
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