Older riders, do you think riding the old thin steel double loop flexy framed bikes of the 70s-80s made you a better rider . IMHO I think riding a bike that was twisting/flexing/sliding under you prepped you for when a bike got out of shape when you where riding at the limit on any bike even the new phenominal bikes of today. I have a 2016 Kawasaki H2. Riding twisties with guys riding New Suzuki GSXR1000RR, Honda CBR1000RR,new Yamaha R1 have said to me they thought I would crash at every turn when seeing the rear of my H2 sliding around/squirming (The H2 rear steel tube frame is just 1 thin tube on each side of bike no additional support , so it flexes/squirms when you push bike around corners) I know its flexing/squirming around but it just reminds me of old GPZ/kz CB750s ect ect that flexed more and without any traction control/electronics. And my skills have deteriated ALOT with age and injuries.