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so i put up a thread a while ago, stating my problem with my 2010 F4 pumping oil smoke out the exhaust on start up after doing a wheelie, that it was geting oil in the airbox

well... more of an update, and more bad news.... when on the throttle hard now it will some times blow a cloud of smoke out the exhaust (not just if u do a wheelie) it did this yesterday on a ride.... and i now know the oil is coming from the tapper cover breathers

what i'm not sure of is what could be causing this.... it wont do it all the time which is odd, if it where a valve seal, or a damaged valve it should do it all the time right??? i'm not sure if there is some kind of a one way valve that may have craped itself causing blow by?

what is clear is there is oil coming from the tapper cover breather into the airbox, so much that its actually leaking from the airbox and out around the throttle bodies on the left hand side.... still not enough to see a difference on the sight glass tho.... this oil may have been building up from when the issue first started as i have not cleaned in around the throttle bodies for a while

i will talk to the perth dealer again on monday who so far have not been much help

what i would really like to know is, is there any kind of a breather valve for the tapper cover breather lines? because that would make sense.... and be easy to fix, if not the bike will have to be striped to find the issue which i really dont want

any idea's guys ?
 

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also on the oil leaking from the airbox comment.... as the oil is coming from the seems of the airbox, it would seem as tho the airbox is under pressure? which would mean a lot of blow by from the valves... in which case ive a real problem

i should also say there is no noticable difference when riding the bike... no loss in power etc

i just want to know as much as i can before i have to send it to the dealer 600km's away
 

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Like I said before, take it back to the dealer mate, this is not a quick fix, and it should not happen on a new bike.
I'll give you a ring sometime if you send me your number, no problems.
 

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The tappet covers have a reed valve that should have the "air" moving from the airbox to the exhaust ports.
Even if this system is running backwards there should be no oil but only air (more specifically gasses).
How are we sure that this is the cause?
 

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Dido with what Donsy said. Take it back to the dealer as I'm sure it's still under warranty. Have you broke the bike down yet? You can remove the tank and air box, remove top part of air box to where the throttle bodies and injectors can be seen ( kind of put the tank on a high enough seat or stack of boxes so you can keep the fuel lines connected) and crank it up and rev the throttle and see if your theory is correct. I have only had my 2012 f4 r for less than a 1 1/2 years but have broke it all the way down to just the engine and I can tell you I don't see how oil can get in your air box. I do wheelies all the time and put the knee down too and still can't see that happening. At first glance it sounds like your problem is due to fuel I'm terms I running to lean which has to so with the map your running.


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also on the oil leaking from the airbox comment.... as the oil is coming from the seems of the airbox, it would seem as tho the airbox is under pressure? which would mean a lot of blow by from the valves... in which case ive a real problem

i should also say there is no noticable difference when riding the bike... no loss in power etc

i just want to know as much as i can before i have to send it to the dealer 600km's away
I may be telling you how to suck eggs here, but have you had a bulletin from MV saying that the oil level at the sight glass should only be showing a 1/4 when the oil is cold ? if not it says that oil can leak into the airbox/filter, just like yours. (ask your dealer):)
 

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Hi, my 2010 f4 also dumps oil into the air box at top revs,the engine cuts out its that bad.Sometimes it smokes on start up.It seams to be coming from the rear breather.Mine has only done 6000 miles,its out of warranty now.I will try my local dealer for some info.
 

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haven't touched a '10+

can the valve cover reeds be installed upside down?
that would explain the oil in the airbox
 

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thanks for the info guys, i have heard there was a thing from MV stating to run the oil level lower but could not find it on the net anywhere

today i started calling dealers, perth where not very helpful over the phone.... then i saw this, so i started ringing other dealers, and MV QLD (where i bought it) were very helpfull

they said as soon as i mentioned oil in the airbox that the oil level was to high..... this is a stupid problem but makes alot of sense..... when i first got the bike it would only do this after pulling a wheelie, and not every time.... now after the 6000k service in perth, it has started doing it at big rev's aswell.... the oil level is sitting on full, maybe a fraction high.... but is higher then when i first got the bike

so i will drain a little oil, to about half.... so that its still definately on the safe side.... i will try this before sending it to the dealer, as its very simple to test and makes sense (despite being a stupid problem) .... i'll clean the airbox first, if it works i will also fit an oil catch can which was my original plan

thanks for the imput guys, i thought there were others with the same problem... as soon as i get a resualt either way i'll post it here

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