[Bill B]

Back to speculating on what that white stuff clouding the oil level view window is.

 

[Bill B]

That is some useful information right there.
I have often looked at purchasing a dedicated tool for oil filter removal for a first generation F4. When I find myself looking around an automotive supplies shop I will have a look at the variety of options on display but never commit to purchasing any of them. I might drop by the local friendly Honda shop and ask about the price and availability of this tool.
Thanks.

Amazon wants $43. Partzilla $30. It appears to be readily available.

 

[Bill B]

Here's a $12 version!

Amazon.com

Reviews were almost all positive but a few bad ones said it slipped and noted that the end nut is 7/8". The weld looks skimpy. I can guarantee the Honda wrench will work and the fit is snug.

 

[The_castle]

Thanks very much for researching this.
I am based in New Zealand and will contact a local Honda dealership. Prepare yourself for a shock regarding the price....

 

[Bill B]

Off to get some 10/60. I hope it will clean the spooge off the window.

 

[Bill B]

IT'S CLEAR! I haven't added oil yet. I can see now that the window has a plate behind it, so it trapped that moisture between the plate and the clear glass or plastic. It finally evaporated. I saw no water in the drained oil, so there probably was a small amount of moisture in the crankcase.

 

[esq'z me]

Glad to hear you have figured this out....yes, it was condensation in the crankcases, a normal by-product of combustion. Yes there is a metal plate on the inside of the oil level window (same on all bikes) that will trap frothed oil/water if present. A good long ride would have evaporated that moisture. Getting the old oil out also accelerated the evaporation of residual condensation in the crankcase. Even though the old drained oil doesn't look like it, it was holding that condensation in suspension.
Ride on !!

 

[silentservice703]

...and this folks is why you really should not start a bike "just to circulate the oil".
If you are going to insist on intermittent running of a machine, you have to not only bring it up to Normal Operating Temp (N.O.T.) but you must maintain that temperature for several fan cycles until oil temperature has reached its NOT long enough tot drive moisture out.
This has been a Public Service Announcement.

 

[Bill B]

...and this folks is why you really should not start a bike "just to circulate the oil".
If you are going to insist on intermittent running of a machine, you have to not only bring it up to Normal Operating Temp (N.O.T.) but you must maintain that temperature for several fan cycles until oil temperature has reached its NOT long enough tot drive moisture out.
This has been a Public Service Announcement.

I think I finally learned that after 60 years of owning motorcycles. If there were long periods when the bikes sat unridden I would start them occasionally and run them until they reached apparent operating temperature, BUT obviously (now) not long enough for the oil to boil off any accumulated moisture. With water/oil-cooled bikes that will take quite a while as Chuck points out. Fresh oil going in today....and then a decently long ride.

 

[rcannon409]

I am starting to think that this bike may have most recently been serviced by a habitual masturbator......
🤪

The worst problem I had with this idea was the threads on the oil fill. Man are they sharp.

 

[EBBO]

Ewww

 

[Bill B]

I'll try to keep any more spooge where it belongs. 😏

 

[Bill B]

3-1/4 qts. Started, ran, stopped, sat for 5 minutes. Could use another 1/4-1/2 qt...of oil, not spooge.

 

[EBBO]

Give yourself a day

 

[The_castle]

Thanks very much for researching this.
I am based in New Zealand and will contact a local Honda dealership. Prepare yourself for a shock regarding the price....

Right, $127 NZD for the OEM Honda filter tool.
Happy to continue using my immense grip strength to undo the filter for now.
Interesting comparison in price though. Approximately three times the price of one found on the US market.

 

[ZackAttack]

Reading some of the previous posts it is quite clear where your immense grip strength comes from 🤣

 

[Tony F]

Right, $127 NZD for the OEM Honda filter tool.
Happy to continue using my immense grip strength to undo the filter for now.
Interesting comparison in price though. Approximately three times the price of one found on the US market.

They start at $15 on Trademe Dave, save that grip strength for high return situations.

 

[The_castle]

Reading some of the previous posts it is quite clear where your immense grip strength comes from 🤣

Good detective skills there big fella!
😉You know I don't like to boast but, back in the day, I represented New Zealand in jacking.
Here I am, preparing for the Nationals a few years ago:

Adidas were a great sponsor.

 

[silentservice703]

Dave - whatever was on your Jack is off! 🙀

 

[The_castle]

That is a hand weight. Maybe two kilograms on there.