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So i've just got a new lithium ion battery for the my10 F4, and just want to know is there anything i have to worry about when disconecting the old battery? No resets or codes or anything i have to worry about ??
 

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Lithium are the way forward but despite what the supplier told me a Lithium charger is needed if you want leave the bike for days without riding and it has an alarm fitted. That said they charge in a fraction of the time of a normal battery.
 

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Do u need a different charger for lithium battery's ? You cant just run a normal trickel charger?
 

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Do u need a different charger for lithium battery's ? You cant just run a normal trickel charger?
Ideally you should use a Lithium charger but you can use a normal one providing its not the type that has the de-sulphation mode, I used Oximiser on mine but never left it permanently connected, decided in the end to buy a Lithium one so I can connect and forget. Lithium batteries charge up very quick so its no big deal if its flat, 15 - 30 mins on the charger and the bike will start.
 

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It's bad for a lithium battery to fall below a certain voltage and it's often the end of the battery.

I've had a shorai in my streetfighter for nearly two years now. Best money spent on a battery. I didn't bother to buy the special charger, these things discharge at such a low rate it takes a long time for them to die. If MVs alarms are like ducati alarms they go into stealth mode after 24 hrs so voltage draw is very low.

What I like about the shorai that's different from alot of the other batteries, it's a got a fail safe to keep it from having a castastrophic failure (I understand lithium batteries can fail quite catastrophically).

Also, if you go shorai go for the size 18, and not the 14.

FYI, the streetfighter is the first duc I've owned I don't use a battery tender on anymore.
 

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Ok so its a motocell litium ion battery, after opening it up and reading everything i could find, it say's nothing about trickle charging, it does however say to hook the battery up to "the" charger when not in use, i assume they mean for an exstended amount of time

To be quite frank the info around charging these battery's is shocking... At this point from what i can gather its not recomended to use a trickle charger. So if someone can clear this up it'd be great, because at this point i'm just going to fit the battery and see how long, or if it dies at all. Given that we r coming into winter here there's a good chance the bike will sit for a few weeks and i guess i'll just see how it goes
 

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To be quite frank the info around charging these battery's is shocking... At this point from what i can gather its not recomended to use a trickle charger. So if someone can clear this up it'd be great, because at this point i'm just going to fit the battery and see how long, or if it dies at all.
So your battery is not "A Battery" but several LiON batteries ("cells") in an array.

You need a special intelligent charger that can hook to the electronics in the battery to keep each of those cells operating at their peak. If you don't you risk charging the battery asymmetrically, which can kill one or more of the cells. which will rapidly degrade the performance of your battery.

For the pain in the ass they present, and the need for another charger I find little benefit for them for a bike who is primarily used on the street, because your bikes charging system like a trickle charger will not be able to properly balance the battery.

For race track only use, great. race, put the bike on stands, recharge, race. but even still if I wanted to lose 10 pounds of weight on my bike, I'd do better to just skip the nightly glass of Vodka.

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sorry, I know it's too late, but Shorai's probably just about the best of the breed for Lithium IRON batteries (not to be confused with lithium ION, there is a diff).

Shorai's have a fail safe built in so they won't have meltdown, catch on fire, etc. which these batteries can apparently do. On shorai you can use a battery tender or a regular charger it just has to charge at a specific amperage. FYI, I never hook mine up to either. These lose so little voltage in a week it's not needed. My bike's sat for a couple weeks and fires right up. Again this pertains to shorai which unfortunately does you know good.

Lots of companies making these batteries, many won't be around long.

Ok so its a motocell litium ion battery, after opening it up and reading everything i could find, it say's nothing about trickle charging, it does however say to hook the battery up to "the" charger when not in use, i assume they mean for an exstended amount of time

To be quite frank the info around charging these battery's is shocking... At this point from what i can gather its not recomended to use a trickle charger. So if someone can clear this up it'd be great, because at this point i'm just going to fit the battery and see how long, or if it dies at all. Given that we r coming into winter here there's a good chance the bike will sit for a few weeks and i guess i'll just see how it goes
 

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Thanks imcmulle, interesting that the bikes own charging system wont charge it propely, thats what i was getting at from the start. Means i've a bit of a problem, a pointless battery in that case
 

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ok I went out today to buy my lithium battery
Battery world have stopped selling them due to causing fires,melt downs, and other failures . Also that I will need to get my charging system looked over and adjusted ,
so in a very polite I sais "you are talking the biggest load of bollox because Randy & Knurl said it was all good to use these ) and walked out
I then phones Marshal's and was told very simular story


anyone here had problems
 

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Holy smoke, a whole lot of guessing and miss-information going on here.
I've been using them for a few years, and almost all my friends on the track and road use Li batteries, mostly Ballistic, Racing, Shorai and Antigravity.

Before you tell me Shorai is the best Chris, best do some more research mate, really, they're the only one's I have ever seen die on the bike, admittedly here in Aus the customer service is excellent.

Best go and read about the difference between the different Li types, like LiFe, LiFePo or LiFo ...etc, before you start getting scared about all the failure issue's.

Then find out if the battery you want to buy has inbuilt balancing circuitry, so it can be charged with virtually any charger, virtually any one, but not quite.
Or if in the long run, you might need a balancing charger, which can only be used on batteries equipped with the balancing port. I use my Ballistic charger on Shorai's as well.

There's a lot of things to look at and consider, some of these can be very temp sensitive, have a look at this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBfvR1EJJBk&feature=youtu.be
 

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Holy smoke, a whole lot of guessing and miss-information going on here.
I've been using them for a few years, and almost all my friends on the track and road use Li batteries, mostly Ballistic, Racing, Shorai and Antigravity.

Before you tell me Shorai is the best Chris, best do some more research mate, really, they're the only one's I have ever seen die on the bike, admittedly here in Aus the customer service is excellent.

Best go and read about the difference between the different Li types, like LiFe, LiFePo or LiFo ...etc, before you start getting scared about all the failure issue's.

Then find out if the battery you want to buy has inbuilt balancing circuitry, so it can be charged with virtually any charger, virtually any one, but not quite.
Or if in the long run, you might need a balancing charger, which can only be used on batteries equipped with the balancing port. I use my Ballistic charger on Shorai's as well.

There's a lot of things to look at and consider, some of these can be very temp sensitive, have a look at this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBfvR1EJJBk&feature=youtu.be
I was so surprised mate , I had done loads of home work and my charging system was all good by (sunstate mc) and they told me what type to get etc
but then to be told this by the main importers of these batteries was a spin out ..... still getting one direct from sunstate .............Donsy thanks for that
 

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battery world told me that yuasa Varta and century had stopped importing at the moment
 

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battery world told me that yuasa Varta and century had stopped importing at the moment
Yup, thought so, it's because they get all the cheap shit in Col.
If you want to buy a Li... battery, buy it from a specialist, someone who knows the application required for the bike ...etc.
 
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