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would like to get a comparison between these bikes from some one who has riden an MV and one of the others...

i have a 2010 F4, and am looking into different bikes atm... not sure i could sell my F4 as i do love it, even after it tryed to kill me. but i am seriously looking into geting a second bike..

I like the look of the new 1199, but have not had a chance to ride one... i'd like to get a real world comparison on the mid range power... from the reviews on the 1199 it sounds like it has a serious lack of mid range which i really dont like in bikes... but is this just compared to other ducati's which r known for mental midrange??

also the Aprilia RSV4... which to be honest is the way i'm leaning, no where near as good looking as the F4 but from all accounts is a great bike, but again have not had the chance to get on one

thoughts? ... unforunately in WA i havent really got a chance to ride all 3... and i really dont like the idea of buying a bike without riding it first or at least having a very good back ground
 

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I used to buy bikes without riding them. After trading my 2010 F4 for a Panigale, I won't make that mistake again.
The Panigale was plenty fast despite the horrible fueling. Doesn't have the insane mid grunt as the previous models. The seat is a disguised cinder block and the footpegs are absurdly slippery. Exhaust is extremely hot and the sound is offensive. The clutch needs to be bled often. Oil leaks are common. The riding position for me was torture.
I tried the Termi exhaust, Ducabike rear sets and the Ducati race seat, and while much improved, I still couldn't handle the riding position.
The brakes and handling of the Panigale are the best I've expirienced. I'd never been as confident tossing a bike into a corner as I was on the Pani.
I sold it after 2000 miles at a great loss.
A local dealer let me loose with a RSV4 for an hour. Great bike. I bought the Factory with a Austin Racing slip on. Fast bike, I'm very comfortable on it. Not as confident in corners as I was on the Pani. (both bikes out of the box) Perhaps when the Ape's suspension is set up, that will change. Sound of the Ape is awesome.
I loved the F4. Comfortable on it, plenty fast, great sound stock, better with Bodis slip on. Handled great (much improved with Dunlop Q2's), beautiful looks and trouble free.
Whatever you consider, hope you can take it on an extensive test ride.
 

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Ditto to the above.
I would have loved to have tried the Aprilia with +2 on the rear sprocket as it felt a little lazy. I was surprised at the ergonomics of the Aprilia as well, very comfortable.
 

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Have the pani and had the rsv4 r for a year.
Pani is a superb bike. Very fast, stable, nimble. Yes it leaks oil but cureable in my case. Sitting position crashes yr nuts at braking but again curable with a race seat. Lacks the grant of the 1198? Well yes but it revs so fast to the red line you wont feel a thing.if u change the rear sprocket to 41 teeth midrange power is awesome. I raced with a S1000r and the pani was up there.
Aprilia is a nice bike. For me it wasnt sth special. Not as fast as a pani not as light but again no problems at the race track either. For me a similar feeling with the v4 but revs to 14k whereas pani dies at 11200rpm. Comfortable and sound is very nice. Front suspension was crap.
I would get the pani as a 2nd bike. If u rode a duc before and didnt like it u ll hate the 1199. Try the vtwin if possible.

MV I dont know the new generation. With my F4 I had ups and downs. Great bike & very fast but also leaks oil every now and then and very hot like the pani. For track use I prefer the ducati. Plenty of rider aids and traction control is fantastic and so is the quickshifter.
 

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The rsv4 before the panni. And i think you will get the sane answer from alot of people here. Just ask mikef4uk. He knows alot mote about this


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I'm on my second RSV4, I went: F41000S, F4 1000R, 08R1, 09R1, S1000RR and then the 2 RSV4's.

It fits me like a glove, the only thing I would knock is it's a little high seat wise if your newish to bikes (but there again all bike seats are high to me :laughing:)
I feel it's more a 'balanced bike' than the S1000RR in that it all seems to work together very well, it's not as fast as a S1000RR or indeed Steves F41000RR but seems to devour the twisties better. It seems to be about 20 hp down on the S1000R but always turns quicker lap times

It's build quality and components are on par with MV, weak points are oil weeps from cam covers and Aprilia's parts supply, although it is getting better now they have a central European warehouse.

It is also a complete bitch to work on if you need to valve clearances, at the moment though it ticks all of my boxes :)
 

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I've been thinking about a second bike for a long while now and it's between a F4 and RSV4.
Not easy to get a demo ride on a MV here but have tested the RSV4 a couple of times.
Much more comfortable ridding position than my 1098 and as above the seat feels high.
No midrange compared to the Duc and nothing under 4-5000 RPM.
The MV looks better but I might go the RSV4???????
 

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Graph of RSV4 v MV F4
 

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Hey mike

Its funny seeing that all areas where the F4 spikes in the power or torque curve the aprillia dives down or vice cersa. Interseting dont you think?


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Looks a bit odd to say the least! On the road the RSV4 is very high geared as a std bike (like Ducati's generally are) my RSV4 will do about 94mph in 1st and along side Steves F41000RR the rpm's at about 80mph are close on a 1000 lower, just about everyone fits a one tooth less sprocket to the gearbox, it livens them up nicely :)
 

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thanks for the info guys... i think i really need to get a test ride... I'm really not looking at geting a new F4RR... not until they get the electric's sorted, looks like it'll be a while till they get that sorted
 

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thanks for the info guys... i think i really need to get a test ride... I'm really not looking at geting a new F4RR... not until they get the electric's sorted, looks like it'll be a while till they get that sorted
My MV is the most reliable Italian bike I ever owned, at 13500kms, other than a clutch spring, no issues to report. My Tuono V4R is a completely different story. The dealer used to joke with me that he didn't want to see me for at least 2 months straight; I was never able to meet that request. Check the Aprilia forums before proceeding, numerous problems reported there and I experience most of them.
 

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thanks for the info guys... i think i really need to get a test ride... I'm really not looking at geting a new F4RR... not until they get the electric's sorted, looks like it'll be a while till they get that sorted
I think youll find the electics has been fixed. Except for the quickshifter going down gears???


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from my impression dont get the panigale too many problem so far my have 1600 mile and this is the crap i deal with
1 crack headlight
2 set of front fork
2 clutch slave
3 lcd dash
1 full system to try to get the heat out my ass and still is fucking hottt
1 pair of dainese boots because the heat melt my right boot
dont get wrong the bike is fun but it too much shit
 

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Look here for a RSV4 Forum to see what issues the bikes have: also look on the Tuono V4 side as the two bikes are quite similar, theres a lad on the Tuono side who has been fighting with Aprilia for a new engine for about 12 months after finding bits in his oil.

His fight originates from the fact that Aprilia service is all computerised, If your bike needs warranty work the first thing they do is check on the system for service work, no service history (because you did it yourself) no warranty :)

From my perspective after two RSV4's I would say they are not as reliable as MV, although mine was repaired within 10 days (new electronic throttle body for RBW) and Aprilia spares can be challenging but I believe are getting better

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?69-2010-2014-RSV4-Factory-and-RSV4-R
 

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fortunately in the US manufacturers can't get away with that under the Moss_Magnuson act. They can't compel you to go to a dealer for routine service to maintain a warranty. You just need to keep receipts for oil and such. I've never had any issues on any of my bikes, ducs, apes, etc.

Never had an F4, but owned an 1199 and RSv4. My 1199 was completely problem free (curious about the fueling someone mentioned as mine was one of the best fueled duc I've ever owned). Hands down tho, if you could only have one, the RSV4 is by far the superior all round bike, the pani is brilliant and wonderful on the track and back roads but not a lot of fun in traffic. That said tho, re: heat, the 1199 is certainly no worse than my 996 was. BUT the RSV4 cranks out a ton of heat on the right leg too.

I love the v4 on the ape and will probably get a tuono v4 one of these days as I had a gen 1 v-twin tuono for years, superb bike.


His fight originates from the fact that Aprilia service is all computerised, If your bike needs warranty work the first thing they do is check on the system for service work, no service history (because you did it yourself) no warranty :)
 

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wow hearing the issues with the aprila worries me too, less reliable then MV's is not good... might have to wait a year and hope with new models they get every thing sorted

one thing that worries me a lot with the new F4RR is the fly by wire throttle.... it looks like a great bike, but trusting electric's to control the throttle on a 200hp bike... not really keen hahaha, i'll take a cable throttle any day

looking at the new BMW as well but that thing really is ugly.... one thing i can say about MV that gives me confidence is they go out of there way to fix anything that goes wrong
 

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Just curious, has anyone rode the KTM RC8R? Looking for a second bike and considering the above listed or the RC8R.
 
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