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Hi Folks,

I am thinking of buying a 50-60s MV. I am not particulary keen on one single model, but i am jsut checking around what comes to the market and what pleases me in the Looks-department.

I am in Germany and at the moment i got an offer for this, what i believe is a 99 Checca. The buyer unfortunately does not know a lot about the bike. it seems it has been restaurated in Italy and comes with papers. it is from 1964 and has 99 cc. so this has to be a Checca, right?

How does the Checca compare to other MVs of that era?

He offers it to me for 3000 EUROS.

here are some pictures, what do you think? something worth buying?

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It does look like a Checca Sport and as such it is in great shape.
Well 3000 Euro is quite some money on first view.
But the costs of restoring a 1000 Euro Bike to such conditions would be way more costly.
Depends on for what You are planning on doing with it.
They are not particularly fast and powerful.
Well I hope You can get it and have fun with it.
 

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I wish bikes likes this would show up for sale in the USA.
 

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i would ride it, not just let it rot somewhere in a basement. thats what is was built for. it would be for slower nice rides. i just wonder if the price is ok, and how the bikes compare with other MV s of that era like a disco volanteor some of the 125ers. There are so many of them that look quite similar
 

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Hi, I have three Checca 99's. 2 x Sport and a GTE. This machine is an obvious re-paint and I question the white as the original colour was more a cream than white. Price is quite good as restoring a Checca will cost far more than your asking price. They are very simple engines with flat head and parallel valves. They have NO electrical power, yes, less than an early Ducati! Other than the white this Checca Sport looks very original. Parts though can be hard to find. You should be able to find a repro pump for the frame. I think it is good value and great for a run to the shops for fish and chips:)
 

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i would ride it, not just let it rot somewhere in a basement. thats what is was built for. it would be for slower nice rides. i just wonder if the price is ok, and how the bikes compare with other MV s of that era like a disco volanteor some of the 125ers. There are so many of them that look quite similar
Well it will be though to get a 175CS Disco Volante for such little money, if You find a decent one at all.
Now the 99 has 6,5hp and a max speed of 90kph.
This is likely telling You something about the performance and the range of activities it can handle on public roads.
But a 125 of this area had only 7,5hp and a max speed of 100kph and is with it not much different.
The later sixties and seventies 125 had up to 14hp and reached up to 120kph.
Even the 175 CSTA / CSTL / CSGT had only 11hp and run 115kph.
And in my eyes are 250's (Raid or Bicilindrica) or the 350 Twins something were You can safely operate on back roads.
I mean not only swim with the traffic but pass slower vehicles to.
However I believe for certain environments like suburban areas would be the 99 enough.
For an example to get on sunday mornings to the bakery to get some nice rolls for breakfast.
Even if You roam around the back roads before the visit at the bakery.
 

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Hi there, thx for the great feedback. So this seems like a good deal. As I know nothing about these bikes.

How do the start? Where is the kick starter? I heard the gear shift is on the right foot is that correct? And then the back break is in the left foot? Also down up shifting is switched. Right? Other things I have to watch? I am only used to modern bikes as the f4? Fuel? Maintainance?
 

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The kicker is that upright thing in photo 1.
You start that beast as following:
Open the fuel valve
Pull the choke on top of the carburetor out
Switch the power on with that black thing on top of the head light
Step on the kicker until You feel some resistance
Let the kicker go back in the initial position.
Open the throttle a little but not more than a third.
Jump on the kicker and the engine should be running.
Push the the choke lever in again.
Place Your fenny on the seat.
Pull the clutch lever with Your left hand.
Engage the first gear with Your right foot which should be up.
Rev up the engine a little with Your right hand.
Let the clutch go in a controlled manner.
The bike will start to move.
To slow down after the first hair raising meters.
Close the throttle.
Pull the clutch with Your left hand.
Pull the front brake lever with right hand.
Don't forget to bring Your feet near the ground.
If You get more comfortable You can use also the rear brake lever with the left foot.
In a perfect world You would have the gear back in neutral.
Than You switch the power off.
A Owners Manual would be might helpful.
Although they are only in Italian available.
If You ask me kindly in a PM I could send You a copy of the Manual and the Parts Catalogue provided You didn't forget Your e-mail address.
 

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The kicker is that upright thing in photo 1.
You start that beast as following:
Open the fuel valve
Pull the choke on top of the carburetor out
Switch the power on with that black thing on top of the head light
Step on the kicker until You feel some resistance
Let the kicker go back in the initial position.
Open the throttle a little but not more than a third.
Jump on the kicker and the engine should be running.
Push the the choke lever in again.
Place Your fenny on the seat.
Pull the clutch lever with Your left hand.
Engage the first gear with Your right foot which should be up.
Rev up the engine a little with Your right hand.
Let the clutch go in a controlled manner.
The bike will start to move.
To slow down after the first hair raising meters.
Close the throttle.
Pull the clutch with Your left hand.
Pull the front brake lever with right hand.
Don't forget to bring Your feet near the ground.
If You get more comfortable You can use also the rear brake lever with the left foot.
In a perfect world You would have the gear back in neutral.
Than You switch the power off.
A Owners Manual would be might helpful.
Although they are only in Italian available.
If You ask me kindly in a PM I could send You a copy of the Manual and the Parts Catalogue provided You didn't forget Your e-mail address.
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Ahh, I forgot, regular fuel is unleaded today.
So You will need to add lead additive to the fuel.
This "Bleizusatz" is available at most if not all gas stations.
Unfortunately mostly only in bottles for 250 liter fuel or so.
 

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great tips! thx a lot.

I would not have thought of the unleaded fuel. That's interesting. how do you do that in daily life? Buy a small lead bottle for everytime you fuel up your tank? what do you do with the waste? i mean it would be quite annoying to always have a backpack with the lead bottle with you.

what happens when u drive without lead? is this more a long term thing or is this a problem just driving 1-2 tank fuels without lead?
 

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great tips! thx a lot.

I would not have thought of the unleaded fuel. That's interesting. how do you do that in daily life? Buy a small lead bottle for everytime you fuel up your tank? what do you do with the waste? i mean it would be quite annoying to always have a backpack with the lead bottle with you.

what happens when u drive without lead? is this more a long term thing or is this a problem just driving 1-2 tank fuels without lead?
You will get used to it I guess.
The bottles You get at the gas stations in Germany are the size of a 200ml containing tall plastic bottle.
Might 15cm tall and 5cm in diameter.
At the top is some kind of a measuring cup.
So squeeze the bottle until the measuring cup is a quarter or so full.
But it is all written on it and it will last for a long time.
I heard that there are also smaller bottles available but never came across those.
And Yes an occasionally emergency ride with unleaded gas is not destroying the valve seats.
I will send the manuals later today.
 

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hi guys ,

could you help me with the correct choke position? i have this Checca sport from the pictures with the Dellorto UA 16 carburator. so i am not sure about the choke on top of the carbureto. i assume when i pull out the choke towards the danke (up) it is "activated" and when i push the choke in (meaning pushing it down to the ground) it deactivates the choke. is that correct??

if it is i i have been driving with activated choke for around 50 kilometres. i hope that did not do any harm...
 

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No harm per se Sir! You only burned and wasted some fuel that way.
And Yes the choke up is activated, pushed down it is closed.
 

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No harm per se Sir! You only burned and wasted some fuel that way.
And Yes the choke up is activated, pushed down it is closed.
Actually i think now that this is not true. i tried today to drive with the choke pushed down and it was quite impossible.

pls seet his link:

http://www.dellorto.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/ua-s.pdf

with "Choke" i am talking about part number 13. this can be pulled out or pushed in. when pulled out the bike runs normal. when pushed in and i twist the throttle i only get hick ups and little forward movement so i assume now that "pushed in" means choke is "activated".

there is also the other mechanism, part number 24. when you push that in it floods the chamber with fuel. this is actually more useful for cold start. but this gets back automatically because of the spring. so you just push and let go and it goes back to original position.

also pls see this thread i fond yesterday:

http://www.mvagusta.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37512&highlight=dellorto+ma16

there it also says "Of course, choke is OFF when in the full UP position."

confusing...
 
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