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I am being drawn like a moth to a candle by these wonderful machines. One is being offered by H and H auctions shortly but at present I have been unable to obtain much detail about it.

I have no specialist knowledge of the marque and would welcome some advice. The engine and frame nos are the same - 221 0497. Is this normal? The previous ones I have seen for sale haven't had matching nos. Also the frame and top yoke are painted red. The photographs of similar bikes I have seen have been silver.

Is there a book that you would recomend to obtain a working knoweldge of the model range and specifications?

I would be grateful for any help you could give

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there are a few resources readily available that will provide information regarding the 750 S America:

MV Agusta Owners Club of Great Britain

www.thebikemuseum.com a website devoted to classic MVs

MV Agusta fours performance portfolio 1967-1980 a book comprising road tests and reviews of the four cylinder MVs, including the America. It is readily available on e-bay and probably in book stores.

good luck with the bike
 

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There are many books that will help you, just have a search around the web.

Although it can happen it is VERY unusual to have matching frame and engine #'s on a 'four'. Some research would be required i think.

Bonhams also has a very nice and well known Monza coming up in it's next sale at Stafford on Oct17th.

All i can say is, if you can then get one..........you will not regret it.

Dorian.
MV Club UK Spares.
 

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I am grateful to you all for your replies
I have looked at the bike Museum site but was after more detailed information regarding specs engine and frame nos etc hence the question re which book may be best for detailed information
In addition this bike seems to have a rear passenger footrest on the right hand side is that normal on what appears to be a single seater
Having no detailed knowledge I don’t want to be caught with a repo
Thanks Again
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I am grateful to you all for your replies
I have looked at the bike Museum site but was after more detailed information regarding specs engine and frame nos etc hence the question re which book may be best for detailed information
In addition this bike seems to have a rear passenger footrest on the right hand side is that normal on what appears to be a single seater
Having no detailed knowledge I don’t want to be caught with a repo
Thanks Again
Dave
Hi Dave

The America would originally have been supplied with a silver frame and top yoke, not red. Maybe it's been rebuilt at some time?

Matching numbers are rare, but it does at least appear to have the correct 221 **** suffix of the larger capacity engine. (..0491 would indicate a fairly late model, I believe). Beware the 600cc GT > Sport/America 'conversions', there are quite a number out there.

The seat tail on America models is designed to slide back to make room for a passenger, so pillion foot-pegs were sometimes fitted.

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Thanks Steve

That's very helpful. I have just discovered that the same bike was offered by the same auction house in 05 and was unsold. At that time it had a valid MOT but currently it does not have one. I suspect it may have lain idle since so I need to be careful
If I decide to pursue it is there anyone on the forum who has the knowledge to look at it with me when it is available to view. I would obviously pay for their time and travelling etc

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You may have more luck asking the question on the UK Owners' Club web site Dave. The MV community in the UK is a small one, and most machines in the country are likely to be known. I had the same concerns as yourself when buying, but found that the club had known my particular bike for over thirty years! It's worth joining anyway, even if just for the access you'd then have to the spares supply. lol!

Moreover, I'll bet there's a member or two living within spitting distance of the auction house. It's worth a try.


Steve

ps. Did you check out the 'numbers' and 'registry' links on the Bike Museum site? Chassis/engine numbers are listed for many of the machines. Best of luck.
 

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Thanks Steve

I am having problems accessing the Museum web site at the moment it seems to be down and I am still waiting for the moderator at the Yahoo site to let me join

Do I take it from the above that parts are hard to find?

I saw your post re the well polished Norton. I think I may know the guy He told me at Popham last year if I spent a week with wet and dry and various polishes I could get some marks out of the Primary chain case on my Interceptor. I rode there and needless to say his went on a trailer

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Thanks Steve

I am having problems accessing the Museum web site at the moment it seems to be down and I am still waiting for the moderator at the Yahoo site to let me join

Do I take it from the above that parts are hard to find?

I saw your post re the well polished Norton. I think I may know the guy He told me at Popham last year if I spent a week with wet and dry and various polishes I could get some marks out of the Primary chain case on my Interceptor. I rode there and needless to say his went on a trailer

Dave
Try this link Dave; it's just worked for me http://thebikemuseum.com/


When the original Agusta factory closed in late 1979, the UK Owners' Club bought all the remaining stock. So far as I'm aware, they still have around four tons of spares stashed away (..for members' purchase only, of course!) Dorian is involved with the spares scheme, so he'll probably be able to tell you better what they have.

As to finding spares anywhere else: With the advent of eBay, it's become possible if you're prepared to do some on-line searching. I've bought one or two items from eBay Italy. Prices can, er.. fluctuate!

With regard to the show scene.. The one I mention is the first I've entered, and to be honest I did so only to allow those around my neighbourhood to see an old MV up close. In all the years I've ridden around the North East of England, I've never before seen one on the road. Neither have I seen one in any dealership within a 200ml radius. Most of the people I talk to think MV Agusta was founded fairly recently :jsm:. This being the case, I've started my own personal crusade to enlighten the masses. Lol! So, bring on the next show and I'll be content to spread the word. As they say, it's not the winning but the taking part which counts!

Steve


ps. Here's a snap of the old girl 'posing' mid show. It was taken by one of the spectators. Right click for the original.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/dieseldeltic/4827684124/
 

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Dave.

You mention Popham so i assume your local to the south of the UK.

If you make the Megameet this year pop in and have a chat (i'm organising the stand again this year).

I can fill you in on all the juicy gossip re MV 'fours' in the UK.

Cheers.

Dorian.
 

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Thanks Dorian

I will certainly be there - on the bike as long as its not lashing down I'm getting a bit soft these days and hate all the cleaning

I look forward to meeting you then

Are you going to Bill Little's open day on Saturday? Another great day out

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Thanks Dorian

I will certainly be there - on the bike as long as its not lashing down I'm getting a bit soft these days and hate all the cleaning

I look forward to meeting you then

Are you going to Bill Little's open day on Saturday? Another great day out

Dave

No can't make Bill's do this year.

I have a solution for the cleaning thing............don't do it, it's called patina. You will understand when you see some of my bikes:)

See ya at Popham.

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I was the original owner of the bike that is the subject of this thread. The registration number was PTF273R, the frame number was 2210497. The engine number was 2210400.

I took delivery of the bike early in 1977, having won it in a competition organised by the weekly paper "MotorCycle". It gave me a great deal of pleasure, and was my pride and joy for four years.
 

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750S America-PTF273R

Since finding this thread I have had a look at the bikemuseum site (above), and in the "Library" section there are links two two magazine articles featuring photos of PTF273R. Under "Various - British Rally & Concours" is a feature from Motor Cycle Mechanics January 1980, and "Collection - Wellings" is about my late friend Mark Wellings, from Superbike Sept 1980.

The former article has, on the centre spread, a photo of the concours line up at the first get-together of the MV Owners' Club of Great Britain. There in the foreground is PTF273R.

In the second magazine (on page 34) there is a photo of four big MVs. Mark is on the right, sitting on his half-faired Special; Kevin Talbot is on the left, on the cast-wheeled America. Next to Kevin is PTF273R. This is the only photo I've seen of "my" bike with the red frame.

The number plate is not visible in either photo, so you'll just have to take my word for it. I remember both occasions quite clearly, and bought both magazines when they first appeared.

The red frame came about because that man Wellings dropped my bike and bent the frame. We bought a brand new frame from Dave Kay, and rebuilt it. We had the new frame stamped with the original frame number. The original frame was, indeed, silver. The replacement frame was red. We did all the work ourselves, and used only brand new parts, so there was nothing wrong with the bike's condition, or its provenance.

Kevin's MV was stolen while he was touring somewhere on the Continent. Its engine number was 221-0459. I'm not sure of its frame number, but it was in the 300 range. I wonder where that one is now?

It is so interesting to take a trip down memory lane.

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Since finding this thread I have had a look at the bikemuseum site (above), and in the "Library" section there are links two two magazine articles featuring photos of PTF273R. Under "Various - British Rally & Concours" is a feature from Motor Cycle Mechanics January 1980, and "Collection - Wellings" is about my late friend Mark Wellings, from Superbike Sept 1980.

The former article has, on the centre spread, a photo of the concours line up at the first get-together of the MV Owners' Club of Great Britain. There in the foreground is PTF273R.

In the second magazine (on page 34) there is a photo of four big MVs. Mark is on the right, sitting on his half-faired Special; Kevin Talbot is on the left, on his cast-wheeled America. Next to Kevin is PTF273R. This is the only photo I've seen of "my" bike with the red frame.

The number plate is not visible in either photo, so you'll just have to take my word for it. I remember both occasions quite clearly, and bought both magazines when they first appeared.

The red frame came about because that man Wellings dropped my bike and bent the frame. We bought a brand new frame from Dave Kay, and rebuilt it. We had the new frame stamped with the original frame number. The original frame was, indeed, silver. The replacement frame was red. We did all the work ourselves, and used only brand new parts, so there was nothing wrong with the bike's condition, or its provenance.

Kevin's MV was stolen while he was touring somewhere on the Continent. Its engine number was 221-0459. I'm not sure of its frame number, but it was in the 300 range. I wonder where that one is now?

It is so interesting to take a trip down memory lane.

John Colter.[/QUO
Fascinating story John and thanks for posting; brings back memories of my search for the history on MV America frame number 002 :jsm::jsm::jsm: as it turns out (after numerous "global phone calls:jsm::jsm:) we now have the complete History of ownership from "day 1:):):):):) :jsm::jsm::jsm:
First picture is the day it arrived some years ago, second pic, present day!
 

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Hi, JSM - I thought I should tell what I know about the story of PTF273R. The originator of this thread, or topic, was clearly worried that the red frame could indicate something irregular or undesirable. I am now 73 years of age, and could have kicked the bucket without leaving a record of what is an interesting episode in the life of this bike.

I have some photos of the bike when it was in my ownership (notably the occasion when it was presented to me) and other memorabilia. Unfortunately my IT skills are very poor, and I haven't a clue how to post photos.

Thirty years ago, I was lucky enough to ride at least nine examples of the big MV fours. They must surely be one of the most charismatic motorcycles ever produced.

The late Mark Wellings bought one that had been converted by a dealer. They had taken a standard America and added the Magni chain drive conversion, big bore barrels, larger carbs, cast wheels, and various other "goodies". He paid a small fortune for it, but the work had been done so badly that they ruined a perfectly good bike. He kept it for only a few weeks, then sent it back and demanded a refund. That was why he decided to build his own "Special". He made a superb job of it, too.
 

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This a most interesting thread. :) John (Colter), if you scroll down below the text box when writing a thread, you can add photos by pressing the manage attachments button which will allow you to browse the files on your computer and add files (photos). I'm sure we would all be very eager to see your photos of the bike when you first owned it. I'm not sure how to get hard copy photo's 'computerised' but some of the more technically minded on here might be able to help with that if your photos aren't in digital form which I suspect if we are talking 1970's they aren't. It would be great to see them though.
 

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Hi, JSM - I thought I should tell what I know about the story of PTF273R. The originator of this thread, or topic, was clearly worried that the red frame could indicate something irregular or undesirable. I am now 73 years of age, and could have kicked the bucket without leaving a record of what is an interesting episode in the life of this bike.

I have some photos of the bike when it was in my ownership (notably the occasion when it was presented to me) and other memorabilia. Unfortunately my IT skills are very poor, and I haven't a clue how to post photos.

Thirty years ago, I was lucky enough to ride at least nine examples of the big MV fours. They must surely be one of the most charismatic motorcycles ever produced.

The late Mark Wellings bought one that had been converted by a dealer. They had taken a standard America and added the Magni chain drive conversion, big bore barrels, larger carbs, cast wheels, and various other "goodies". He paid a small fortune for it, but the work had been done so badly that they ruined a perfectly good bike. He kept it for only a few weeks, then sent it back and demanded a refund. That was why he decided to build his own "Special". He made a superb job of it, too.
Hi J, If you follow Johns suggestions you should be able to post up some pics; regards Mark, attached is an image of his "special":jsm::jsm::jsm::jsm::jsm: I will also post up a detailed history of 002:):):):):):jsm::jsm::jsm::jsm::jsm: PS........................problem with upload, not sure what is happening here (first time issue!!!!)
 

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I'll try to attach a photo of the old girl, taken on 3rd June 1977 when I collected the bike from SGT, who were then MV Concessionaires:- Crickey! It worked! That's Geoff Aspel of MotorCycle shaking my hand, and Brian Snowden of SGT. Dig those flares - what a cool dude.
 

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