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Hi all -

I've been combing the site for info re: rider height and F4 1000s. I've read several threads, but have also tried to find some photos of riders mounted on their MV to assess my "reachability" concerns and get a real world perspective. There are a few, but not many photos. JSM has some good ones but he looks to be rather tall (6'+). Obviously the best thing to do is sit on one myself, but with my schedule, that isn't practicable at the moment. I also dont want to go into an MV store for fear of self control issues.

So, I am wondering if some of you 1000 owners here would be willing to have someone snap some pics of you mounted on your bike at a standstill, feet down, and post them to this thread...include your height - particulary the sub 5'10" (178cm) riders. (Alan Gibb!?)

Exemplary post:

5'8"
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I hope as many of you will participate as possible. Thanks in advance! :moped:
 

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I haven't got a photo, but I am 5'5'' in shoes!. I lowered my F41000 (simply by turning the ride height adjuster) so that the raer of the bike was lower by 1/2". I did thid mainly to get more drive out of slow corners. I don't seem to have any problem with touching ground, although I do tend to put one foot down and lean it. All pretty simple. The pegs are adjustable, so i adjusted those down a bit as there is still heaps of ground clearnce. The great thing about these machines is the adjustability.
On my Brutale I have no such issues, and actually raised the ride height by 10mm to get more weight over the front end.
I hope this helps.
 

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I quess you make do for the ones you love :moped: , but in all seriousness the F4 isn't the smallest or shortest of bikes out there. I mean I'm 6'1'' and it's definitely not short on me.
 

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Thanks Greg, Paul. I am 5'7" natural, or 5'8-5'9 with boots on. Due to a birth problem, my right leg is very weak and basically unusable to support a bike that leans to the right, so I have to be able to stop and reach with my left foot. I managed on Ninja quite well (seat height 30.7") for many thousands of highway and city commuting miles, but 31.87 is another story. Maybe can lower to 31.5ish?

Due to my birth problem, I also have another issue. I've had several surgeries on my leg and foot, and my right ankle is essentially fused, so i cannot dorsi or plantarflex (thats the "gas pedal" motion of one's ankle). Therefore, as somewhat of a "squid," to use the rear brake I've always had to move my foot slightly forward and press the footpeg with my heal. Not optimal, certainly not Rossi, but it has worked so far. I'll have to mount an F4 and see not only if I can reach ground with left leg, but also if I'll be able to move rt foot forward and depress the brake peg with heal. I cant tell from the photos if the peg is inset so far that this would not be possible, although a fairly easy workaround would be a "squid" peg (LOL) that juts out a bit further.

As Paul said, you make do sometimes to make things work. Never had problems on the Kawi or dirtbikes.

And since I've admitted to being a squid, you wanna hear a MAJOR squid moment? Rode my Kawi home one day, was exhausted from work, annoyed, irritated, HOT (Houston commuting in gear), and thus distracted. I pulled into my short driveway, shut her down, dismounted waiting to release helmet and get some air. Started to remove helmet and 4-5 secs later heard that dreadful *CRASH*. I turned and looked, my poor Kawi was on its right side. I had dismounted and stepped away, forgetting entirely to put down the sidestand. And of to add icing to the cake, there was a minivan at the end of my driveway full of people gawking. Aaargh!

Greg, if you have a photo that would be great! Happy weekend all!
 

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I'm 5' 7" with a 30 inch inseam. The seat is a bit tall...but manageable. I haven't tried the height adjustment...but I will now based on Greg's post :)
 

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I'm 5'8", and when I first bought the bike I thought it was too tall. After 850 miles, the bike feels much "shorter" to me. It took some time for me to adjust to the ergos of the bike, but it now feels much more comfortable. I was at Pro Italia today, and I asked if there was any "settling" of the suspension over time, as it feels much shorter to me than the day I first rode it home. I can't be sure if there was any settling of the suspension or if it is just me getting used to it -- and they couldn't tell me either.

They did tell me that some riders have actually swapped out the adjustable ride-height link for a link from the 750. Apparently it is a bit shorter and will lower the bike further if you can't lower it enough with the adjustment from the standard link.
 

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GRand, yes I searched the threads and found the 750 link that some have swapped out to reduce height. For an average rider, would such a swap have any performance or safety sequelae?

You know, now that you mention it, over time my Kawi felt shorter too (not that it was very tall). I wonder if it wasnt just my familiarity and comfort with the bike over time - it got to the point that it fit my like a glove, and I knew every nuance of it (strange sounds, vibrations, etc.). I bet your F4 hasnt sagged at all.
 

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GRand said:
I'm 5'8", and when I first bought the bike I thought it was too tall. After 850 miles, the bike feels much "shorter" to me. It took some time for me to adjust to the ergos of the bike, but it now feels much more comfortable. I was at Pro Italia today, and I asked if there was any "settling" of the suspension over time, as it feels much shorter to me than the day I first rode it home. I can't be sure if there was any settling of the suspension or if it is just me getting used to it -- and they couldn't tell me either.

They did tell me that some riders have actually swapped out the adjustable ride-height link for a link from the 750. Apparently it is a bit shorter and will lower the bike further if you can't lower it enough with the adjustment from the standard link.
I think its only the middle part that is different, I bought the genuine MVSP rear hugger and that came with a new middle part (the hexagonal part) for fitment to early bikes to get the height to fit the hugger, it just has a longer threaded portion so I doubt it would make the bike any lower, don't forget you also need to lower the front a little as well to keep the bikes basic geometry, I slid the forks through the yokes about 8mm
 

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Hey Obmot,

'ONE' of my Major Idiot Biking Moments...... and this is from a guy that broke his neck in two places (C6 and C7).

... was riding a Yamaha DT175 when I was 17yrs old.

Was chatting to the Hot chick in school, kickstarted the bike, flipped her a slick raised eyebrow...(too cool for school thought I),- went to put my right leg down and promptly fell over.......

The kick-start lever had gone up the leg of my jeans, thereby preventing my right foot from touching the ground.......

It's only 20-something years later and I'm still thinking about!
 

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MVorBMW said:
I'm 5' 7" with a 30 inch inseam. The seat is a bit tall...but manageable. I haven't tried the height adjustment...but I will now based on Greg's post :)
boys, just be careful when lowering the ride height using the rear adjuster...you are only lowering the rear, and changing the geometry of the bike...big time.
By lowering the rear, you're slowing up the steering and making the bike harder to turn in.
Lowering the ass of the MV is a compromise.

I'm short too, but I raised mine 4mm to get it to turn slighly quicker.
 

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Velocemoto said:
boys, just be careful when lowering the ride height using the rear adjuster...you are only lowering the rear, and changing the geometry of the bike...big time.
By lowering the rear, you're slowing up the steering and making the bike harder to turn in.
Lowering the ass of the MV is a compromise.

I'm short too, but I raised mine 4mm to get it to turn slighly quicker.
Yes, watch out for this - it seriously lowers the handling of the bike if you lower the ride height too much. I did and I found it felt like a goldwing (well, only a little) but seriously, since I put the ride height back up and it handles like a missile. Just get used to being carefull when parking, get used to leaning when stopped, and open the fU**en throttle .... I have just proposed to my MV after 2 years. I'm prepared to make a life time commitment. This is no bike... it is life itself.

Doc :bandit:
 

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Obmot, if :) you check out my photo album in the gallery, there's a photo of me when I picked up my F4 outside the dealers, I'm 5'7" and as you can see from the pic. a bit on tiptoe at standstill, this was without any adjustment on the seat height however and the bike came in the max. ride height position.
 

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what´s 5'7" in cm? :stickpoke :smoking:

I´m 182cm and it´s ok with the height. I liftet my rear 1,5 turns...
 

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1 inch = 25.4mm therefore 5' 7" or 67 inches = 1.7018m or 170.18cm if you prefer:)
 

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Velocemoto said:
boys, just be careful when lowering the ride height using the rear adjuster...you are only lowering the rear, and changing the geometry of the bike...big time.
By lowering the rear, you're slowing up the steering and making the bike harder to turn in.
Lowering the ass of the MV is a compromise.

I'm short too, but I raised mine 4mm to get it to turn slighly quicker.

You are absolutely right Pete, the problem is the thou is taller than the 750 in stock trim, by a centimetre or two. Dropping the ride height makes turn in harder as you said but it also makes holding your chosen line on fast sweeping bends through the turn harder too. Theres no doubt for track work you need the back end up as high as practicable.
 

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Thanks for the additional thoughts. After further reflection...I'm comfortable on the bike, although it's a little tall...so will not tinker with the settings. It's not like my other bikes (R1200GS) are the right height either. In "short"...its my fault :bash: :D
 

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I'm 6' and I can't stand flat footed on both feet at the same time unless I decide to squish my man bits.

This is on a 2000 F4.

These things are definitely not made for short people.
 

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My "new R" is not as good as my old "S" in the handling stakes, I dropped my forks through 8mm on the 1000S, and boy did that transform the bike, no more running wide, no more trying to stand up if braked into a corner, the thing was on rails, I will reset the R forks when I re-fit the forks after they have been Maxtoned once the weather changes, just one other point regarding ride height, I jumped on my mates 1000S the other day and planted both feet firmly on the floor, "your bikes too low at the rear" i said, he being 5-10 had not noticed, we checked the raer height and over 2 years it had settled by 12mm :jsm: , just one you should remember
 

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I can get you a picture but it may take a day or so because I'd have to have my wife snap the picture. If it were something I could take myself, I could post in within hours.

Also, my 1000 is using the linkage from a 750 which is supposedly shorter. To give me more confidence, I dropped my Spidi Vertebras boots for another Spidi that has more sole (not just heel). That does the trick well. A third option, which we didn't use, was to change the front and rear tires to lower profiles. All three of these options were available to us to keep the recommended low settings. We could have gone lower on the suspension but thing I'd have to worry about the swing arm hitting the exhaust and compromise the handling.

Also, height issues or not, I'm use to using the left leg to support the bike. It's just how I was trained may years ago. If I need to maneuver the bike, I do it before I get on - or I just use my left leg to propel me in reverse. I am able to use both feet but I'm just use to using one. One plus with the MV is that it puts a lot of weight on your wrist -so when coming to a stop of if there's a weight shift, push more to the left to deflect the weight.
 
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