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I felt compeled to write this. I just finished the article in our local magazine on the 2007 Masterbike and call me paranoid but they seem to have done everything in their power NOT to give the MV the award. It was very blatant. All journo's felt the 1098 would romp it in and if not then the R1. I won't go into all the wording but very disapointing.
Randy Mamola did say though that the 312R put excitement back into the 4's and the feeling was like riding a turbocharged bike. Even though outright power's were simialr he said the GSX felt bland by comparison.
Also of note is the MV was only 7kg heavier than the measured weights of the other 1000's not much in that.
Power had the 312R outright on 124kw @ 12,380rpm measured (that's 166hp for the US guys) so 174 sounds about right with RG3's. That is serious HP.
The 1098 was measured at 111kw @ 9800rpm (148hp) so it has a deficit. Interestingly torque on the 1098 was measured at [email protected], the 312R was [email protected],300rpm and the Aprilia RSV was 93nm @ 8370rpm (and 97kw) so torque isn't much in it but you can't compete with that top end on the track that's for sure.Coparing the twin with the 312 the comments were the 312 felt refined and turbine like, the 1098 "finally has some excitement of a four cylinder" - interesting.

Reading between the lines Duacti were quite taken back by all this, and are really pushing now for the 1200.

In the same issue it was announced that Honda have a V41000 RCV replica waiting to release on the announcement of acceptance of the 1220cc twin change (I know this is a worst kept secret). I can't help think that Ducati blew it by not bringing out the road SBK spec version of their Desmocedici instead of hanging on to the twin. Could be a big blunder.
 

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I'm not sure why the MV seems to struggle for acceptance with some of these guys, it seems it may be some sort of hangover from the 750 where it suffered in the hp and weight stakes but it's very annoying that they seem to take this attitude.

The advertising dollar may very well have a lot to do with it but when you read and hear what some of these guys say in the media it's not only annoying but appears to motivated by more than politics.
 

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Hi Rockethouse.
Have you read it? it is in AMCN, which are normally pretty good. I think this was cut and paste from the Euro (UK) journo's. Also I know Alex Gobert and I know he really struggles on anything non Jap. I also know he was taken to Eastern Creek and given a full day on the 1098 to get familiar with it. I know because I was there. I actually said to him, when he was heading off to Europe that I thought the MV would go well, he said "it has no hope". HHHHMMMM he is young so we will excuse him.
Anyway at the rear of the mag Alex has an article where Paul Feeney is about to announce a name rider from either SBK or MotoGP who is out of a ride and will return to OZ to do a couple of ASC rounds on the MV that Trinder and Clarke has been winning on the East Coast with. Now maybe that will lift the profile and get them some race cred. It must gall the Ducati importer that they can't race the 1098 at this level this could be why Feeney is having a go while they can't compete.
In BEARS racing the MV's now win every race in what used to be dominated by hot Ducati's. There is a push from the Ducati camp to have a new class for MV.
Interesting times though.
 

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Anyway at the rear of the mag Alex has an article where Paul Feeney is about to announce a name rider from either SBK or MotoGP who is out of a ride and will return to OZ to do a couple of ASC rounds on the MV that Trinder and Clarke has been winning on the East Coast with. Now maybe that will lift the profile and get them some race cred.


Steve Martin is a fav for the 08 World superbikes on MV,that'll be great if he gets that ride.:f4:
 

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Rockethouse said:
I'm not sure why the MV seems to struggle for acceptance with some of these guys, it seems it may be some sort of hangover from the 750 where it suffered in the hp and weight stakes but it's very annoying that they seem to take this attitude.

The advertising dollar may very well have a lot to do with it but when you read and hear what some of these guys say in the media it's not only annoying but appears to motivated by more than politics.
Face it Rocket ,we are where everyone wants to be...just sour grapes mate!
This brings to mind why Daryl Beattie hasn't stepped in and had a go at this type of crap journalism.
Daryl is wearing the police jacket...and yes that is Barry Sheenes son leaning on the Brutale with Daryls F4 behind!
Barry Sheene memorial ride OZ GP 04.
 

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Whoa so next year is going to be a serious year for the superbike or the roadbike category actually. Honda motogp bike for the road, Ducati 1200 cc upgrade its 100% happenign and has been confirmed, and the new Agusta. As much as it pains me, I would be making a smarter decisiong paying off my car and then getting a machine from MV for next year!
 

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Hi Rockethouse.
Have you read it? it is in AMCN, which are normally pretty good. I think this was cut and paste from the Euro (UK) journo's. Also I know Alex Gobert and I know he really struggles on anything non Jap. I also know he was taken to Eastern Creek and given a full day on the 1098 to get familiar with it. I know because I was there. I actually said to him, when he was heading off to Europe that I thought the MV would go well, he said "it has no hope". HHHHMMMM he is young so we will excuse him.
Anyway at the rear of the mag Alex has an article where Paul Feeney is about to announce a name rider from either SBK or MotoGP who is out of a ride and will return to OZ to do a couple of ASC rounds on the MV that Trinder and Clarke has been winning on the East Coast with. Now maybe that will lift the profile and get them some race cred. It must gall the Ducati importer that they can't race the 1098 at this level this could be why Feeney is having a go while they can't compete.
In BEARS racing the MV's now win every race in what used to be dominated by hot Ducati's. There is a push from the Ducati camp to have a new class for MV.
Interesting times though.
Yes I read the article and felt the same way afterwards....I believe it may have been cut/paste from the EU/UK wrtie up.

Oh Alex :stickpoke youth is a good excuse...make sure you remind him of that comment next time you see him :naughty: :stickpoke

I'm looking forward to seeing the MV in the ASC although I really hope they're ready...is this the article you were talking about from the AMCN....
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"MV TO ASC (Aus Superbike Championship)

MV Agusta is all set for it's Aus SBK debut at Queensland Raceway at the end of June. The distributor-backed MV team will run with rider Brendan Clarke for the first time at an ASC round, after spending the beginning of the year in the East Coast Road Series. Rumours had world championship riders Andrew Pitt or Steve Martin making the debut on the bike but that is unlikely at this stage."
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Tiago...sorry my scanner/printer stopped working last week and I still haven't pulled my finger out to get it fixed yet. If no-one else can scan it for you I will do it later when it's fixed.
 

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Rockethouse said:
I'm not sure why the MV seems to struggle for acceptance with some of these guys, it seems it may be some sort of hangover from the 750 where it suffered in the hp and weight stakes but it's very annoying that they seem to take this attitude.

The advertising dollar may very well have a lot to do with it but when you read and hear what some of these guys say in the media it's not only annoying but appears to motivated by more than politics.

I think the answers really simple here : human nature.

The F4 design hasnt changed since its release 7 or 8 years ago. Bike journos run out of superlatives to describe the bike a long time ago, so its only natural these guys who make a living from writing about 'the next big thing' should champion any new contenders who come along.

Bike journos in my opinion are as susceptible to the influence of hype as the next man in the street.
 

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Given a motojournalist's salary prospects, sour grapes over price might have something to do with it. Personally, given the affordability of MV leftovers, I think they are quite a bargain to purchase, if a bane to own and maintain (ouch those parts prices and waits) but in the public's eyes, even to knowledgeable journos, MV's are stratospherically expensive. I recently had a guy on an early 70s Ducati (restored) who obviously was no newbie hack comment on my humble Brutale, and he honestly was under the impression they still sold for $30K and up.

MV has done such a good job of building a status brand. People remember $30K Serie Oro and $100K CC models...and just like that actually owning an MV slips from their consciousness.

It may be the perceived out-of-reach nature of the MV that makes it so. Or maybe it's just weight. +1 on the comment that the design, while beautiful, is aging. (I don't think they should change it though, per se.)
 

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Tiago...sorry my scanner/printer stopped working last week and I still haven't pulled my finger out to get it fixed yet. If no-one else can scan it for you I will do it later when it's fixed.
Thanks :) :friday:
 

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I recently had a guy on an early 70s Ducati (restored) who obviously was no newbie hack comment on my humble Brutale, and he honestly was under the impression they still sold for $30K and up.
I was standing near some folks at Road America this past weekend for the AMA race. I overheard them talking to someone else who didn't recognize the MV brand and I heard them saying "MV Agusta street bikes are beautiful but damn are they expensive... over $25K, and they get even more expensive from there".

Don't tell my wife... I'm still hiding the checkbook register.
 

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I just notice that the reflective jacket says POLCE not POLICE!!! Thats a good one.

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Face it Rocket ,we are where everyone wants to be...just sour grapes mate!
This brings to mind why Daryl Beattie hasn't stepped in and had a go at this type of crap journalism.
Daryl is wearing the police jacket...and yes that is Barry Sheenes son leaning on the Brutale with Daryls F4 behind!
Barry Sheene memorial ride OZ GP 04.
 

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I just brought a copy of the AMCN. And i was pissed off by the article and how much praise they gave to the ducati, R1 & Triumph finalist bikes, but not much merit given to the MV.
And on the front cover they have on top 'shock winner declared".

Were the riders so excited to be riding something new like the 1098s that they were hoping/expecting it to win? Or dont they know how to ride the MV - complaining about the comfort etc and then they post the best average lap time!

I have a spare copy of the magazine, so if anyone overseas wants it, PM with your details and i will send free of charge.
 

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I just brought a copy of the AMCN. And i was pissed off by the article and how much praise they gave to the ducati, R1 & Triumph finalist bikes, but not much merit given to the MV.
And on the front cover they have on top 'shock winner declared".

Were the riders so excited to be riding something new like the 1098s that they were hoping/expecting it to win? Or dont they know how to ride the MV - complaining about the comfort etc and then they post the best average lap time!

I have a spare copy of the magazine, so if anyone overseas wants it, PM with your details and i will send free of charge.
I just read it too...
Dont worry about it....it's only one guys {Gobert's} impressions...he's never been confortable on any MV, not our problem...

I had to smirk at some of his comments, which are completely opposite to what I think and do...

Once I got my F4, I'd never, ever been so confident on a motorcycle, and the first trackday I had on the thing, I went a whopping 3 seconds quicker than ever before...i just couldn't believe it, it came so easy.

I think it's more a reflection on Gobert's inability to use to the F4 chassis, whether he's set in his ways after riding Jap bikes for so long, or it's all in his head..who knows....justifying why he cant go quick on it, is more about him rather than the motorcycle.

He was some 6 seconds slower than the real quick boys, so the problem lies with the journo, rather than the 312 ???

I'd like to read what some of the good riders wrote about the 312.
 

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Wasn't Gobert an international racer until a couple of years ago?

He's always slower than the average at Master Bike regardless of the bike - although for the Italian bikes it's a larger margin.

He's also got a massive hard-on for Randy Mamola and can't stop quoting him..
 

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Wasn't Gobert an international racer until a couple of years ago?
He's always slower than the average at Master Bike regardless of the bike - although for the Italian bikes it's a larger margin.
He's also got a massive hard-on for Randy Mamola and can't stop quoting him..
I think there's 3 Gobert brothers ???.....this one is Alex. The other 2 are still racing in the US I think.

I'm not sure if Alex has been successful racing....I doubt it, judging by his pace at the last 2 Masterbikes...
 
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