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Hey All.

It has been a while since I have been on the forum, but as always, when it comes to the MV, this is the place I go for info...

Anyhow, a few weeks ago, I found that a few members were talking about X-Bikes and their custom Microtec ECU pacakges for the early F41000S. I contacted Chris at X-Bikes, and he was more than helpful and answered all my questions before I dished out the cash for a new ECU kit.

I will keep everyone updated, and let you all know how the install, initial runs, and fine tuning go. This will be on my 2005, F4-1000S.

Thanks to everyone for making this forum what it is.
 

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Best thing I ever did for my 2007 F4R was to fit a Microtec from X-Bikes. Chris sent me several maps to find the best one and it has transformed the bike. Throttle is smooth as glass without the factory jerkiness that made smooth riding difficult. Cooling fans come on sooner and keep the temp down in traffic. Well worth the $.

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OK here is the latest on the new ECU.

Got the kit from Chris @ X-Bikes. Very nice setup. Consdering how busy the guy is, I am amazed at how much time he puts into the kits he sells, as well as the time he spends supporting them.

I was supplied with the new M232 ECU, so lots of new features including multiple maps (5), direct lambda connection (ie, no hideously expensive Microtec unit), launch control, traction control, pit lane speed limiter, quickshifting, and all the other goodies from the past ECU's. It also allowed for switchover from the wasted spark setup, to a semi-sequential configuration with individual control of each injector, as opposed to the stock setup where #1/#3 and #2/#4 injectors were ran in pairs.

The price of the ECU is seems very reasonable considering that it is a custom, plug in kit that literally took about 30 minutes to install after all the bodywork, tank and airbox were stripped off. Very professional wiring setup, and a sweet looking laser cut bracket with the X-Bikes logo cut in. Aside from a few washers used to space the bracket up a few mm on the stock anti-vibration mounts, it was super easy. X-Bikes does all the heavy lifting on this one.

As the stock wiring harness is retained, and is a sizable beast, I removed a small piece of factory heat shrink from the stock connector in order to allow the stock wiring to flex enough to allow it all to fit neatly tucked into the area under the seat pad. Given that this space used to be occupied by the power commander, I am not too worried about the space being eaten up.

The Microtec has to be half the weight of the older Marelli brick, and looks a lot cleaner. Chris put a bunch of factory style connectors in place to plug in all the optional parts (lambda, traction, launch, etc), so we are are pretty future proofed at this point.

Just got the basic wiring plugged in for now, and there will be some more to do once we get the speed sensor(s) integrated in to the ECU for traction / launch control. Gonna do this in baby steps in order to ensure everything works properly.

Now I just have to get a O2 / Lambda bung welded into the Titanium exhaust, and we can put the bike back together.

The software loaded into my Windows 8 laptop with no issues, and the CAN / progamming adapter immediately was recognized, so getting online with the ECU took only a few minutes. A few more to read over the intructions, check the diagnostics page to ensure that everything was powered up / reading correctly, and to load the maps / configuration provided by Chris.

TPS has now been calibrated via the software (super easy, and well documented by Chris in PDF format).

Software is pretty intimidating at first. I am a hardcore robotics / controls programmer, so even though i completely understand the hardware aspects of the ECU and albeit the software is pretty simple to operate, there is a staggering amount of options to tune for anything and everything. I am glad Chris did all the hard work, and that I only have to fine tune a little. Once I get the nack of all the options, I am sure I will start to play with some of the advanced tuning.

Gonna be fun.

A few pics attached, but I will post more info and progress photos as time permits.
 

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Sweet! Looks very tidy.
 

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Thanks esq'z me.

It definitely does look pretty clean so far. Mostly a testament to the X-Bikes harness / mounting plate design.

I am still pondering the thought of breaking the factory harness apart and permanently wiring the new ECU directly to the bike without the "plug-and-play" connector. But first we will get everything working as is, and once I am happy with how everything performs, it may become a small winter project to redo the wiring.

The ability to go back to the old ECU at the moment is a nice thought, even just to compare performance, but in all reality, with the level of tuning offered by the Microtec, and the fact that I will likely never sell this bike, stripping the extra weight, getting my under seat storage space back, and eliminating the chance of electrical problems at the connectors (more connectors, more chance of problems), makes the idea of a permanent conversion all the more attractive. The connectors actually use more space than the ECU itself!

Only time will tell...
 

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Well, small progress made today.

Got the titanium O2 sensor bung machined to fit the exhaust pipework (2" diameter). Went pretty easy with the help of a buddies lathe, a 2" hole saw and lots of coolant.

We are going to try and fit the sensor immediately below the right foot peg with the sensor wiring coming out underneath the rear brake lever, and having the wiring come up between the frame plate and the engine along with the factory harness. Just have to temporarily clamp it in place and put the bodywork back on in order to make sure we have enough room / clearance. I am pretty confident it will fit though.

Now I just have to wait for my welding supplier to get me some titanium welding wire and we should be ready to break out the TIG torch.

Can't wait to try out the auto tune, and possibly the closed loop O2 correction in the ECU.
 

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M232 Ecu

Thanks for the kind words:yo:

I'm hoping that this updated upgrade will essentially offer all of the 1.6M bikes with as much or possibly more functionality and control than upto and including the 2012 F4RR.

This new generation Microtec is a huge leap forward as you've seen and it's worh the effort this end for me to bring as much online as possible.

But potentially we'll be able to offer.
  • Individual fuel maps per cylinder (as per the old M180)
  • Ignition table (as per old M180)
  • Gear position data (as per old M180 but never brought on line)
  • Rate of change traction control (selection of 32 trigger points and correction maps each for ignition and fuel correction)
  • 10 way traction switch (dial in % of fuel or ign correction to receive for each activation point) (requires aux channel swap over)
  • Launch control (works only in 1st)
  • Pit lane limiter (works only in 1st)
  • Gear based igntion offsets (wet maps/town maps)
  • Gear specific quick shift kill times incl no shift in 6th to 7th
  • Map selection
  • Aux channel for aftermarket Lambda controller (huge step forward as these can be cost effective now)
  • Lambda control now for closed loop AFR monitoring or Autotuning. Up to 2 lambda channels can be used and sampled.
  • EBS control
Plus a load of other stuff i've probably forgotten.


All in all i think it's an upgrade to the 1.6M based bikes now that brings them as bang up to date as is possible whilst working within the constraints of the original bike and wiring.


The price is going to change but for now i'm working on the best way possible to supply and price things as per a customers requirements.


Now all i need is the Eldor based ECU to be available and i can go play with the Fly by wire stuff.:D
 

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Chris,

How does this ECU compare to the PC V and will it cure the snatchy throttle problem
The two aren't really comparable as a PCV simply manipulates the injector signals coming from the ECU where something like these ECU's controls the source data as well as myriad of other settings and functions connected with the running of the bike.

And yes it deal with the on/off throttle issues.

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From what I can tell, launch control, traction control and pit lane speed limiter just require a speed input signal in addition to the typical wiring conversion using the factory harness.

Since the speed signal is not sent to the ECU (it only goes to the speedometer), some additional wiring is required to get the signal to the Microtec. Not difficult, but we are working on it. I have tested to stock signaling, and am waiting on an answer from Chris @ X-Bikes to let me know if the Microtec can accept a 12Volt signal for speed. Most of the high speed inputs on the bike / ECU are 5V.

But, in addition to the speed signal, one will also need a few control switches mounted, in order to take command of the new features. Launch and Pit Lane Limiter each require a simple activation switch. Traction control requires something a little more complicated, as it can be set up for something like 10 different levels of traction control. So either an up / down switch for simple traction control selection, or a variable input switch (variable voltage), so that you can select the level quicker, and have positive feedback as to what level is currently selected.

I haven't even started to look at adding controls for these features. First I gotta get the bike up and running, but was waiting on a few misc. parts (spark plugs, fuel filter, etc) before putting the bike back together and pushing the start button...
 

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The two aren't really comparable as a PCV simply manipulates the injector signals coming from the ECU where something like these ECU's controls the source data as well as myriad of other settings and functions connected with the running of the bike.

And yes it deal with the on/off throttle issues.

:)
Which sponsor are you with and how much is the ECU
 

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From what I can tell, launch control, traction control and pit lane speed limiter just require a speed input signal in addition to the typical wiring conversion using the factory harness.

Since the speed signal is not sent to the ECU (it only goes to the speedometer), some additional wiring is required to get the signal to the Microtec. Not difficult, but we are working on it. I have tested to stock signaling, and am waiting on an answer from Chris @ X-Bikes to let me know if the Microtec can accept a 12Volt signal for speed. Most of the high speed inputs on the bike / ECU are 5V.

But, in addition to the speed signal, one will also need a few control switches mounted, in order to take command of the new features. Launch and Pit Lane Limiter each require a simple activation switch. Traction control requires something a little more complicated, as it can be set up for something like 10 different levels of traction control. So either an up / down switch for simple traction control selection, or a variable input switch (variable voltage), so that you can select the level quicker, and have positive feedback as to what level is currently selected.

I haven't even started to look at adding controls for these features. First I gotta get the bike up and running, but was waiting on a few misc. parts (spark plugs, fuel filter, etc) before putting the bike back together and pushing the start button...
Have a bit of a look around, you'll find that others have done some of what you mention, right here on the forum.

Which sponsor are you with and how much is the ECU
Chris used to be a sponsor George, contact him direct. I can't believe you've never seen any other threads on the Microtec :stickpoke Even in my posts :jsm:

http://www.mvagusta.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37095
 

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Thanks Donsy,

The reason I am being a bit hesitant just to hook up the speed sensor, is that this is a new ECU, and a lot has changed vs some of the older models. Since Microtec provides a rather limited set of specifications for inputs / outputs in the manual, I want to avoid letting any smoke out of the box....

I may just send Microtec an email directly.
 

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Have a bit of a look around, you'll find that others have done some of what you mention, right here on the forum.



Chris used to be a sponsor George, contact him direct. I can't believe you've never seen any other threads on the Microtec :stickpoke Even in my posts :jsm:

http://www.mvagusta.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37095
I've seen post about the Microtec but until now no need to pay attention. I'm taking the bike to have the 7500 mile service, TPS reset and throttle body sync done by the dealer in Charlotte NC. After that if the throttle is still not working right I will consider the Microtec. I'm not interested in all the features of the Microtec. I just a smooth running bike especially at low RPM
 

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Thanks Donsy,

The reason I am being a bit hesitant just to hook up the speed sensor, is that this is a new ECU, and a lot has changed vs some of the older models. Since Microtec provides a rather limited set of specifications for inputs / outputs in the manual, I want to avoid letting any smoke out of the box....

I may just send Microtec an email directly.

Sorry mate, yeah the speed input is fine for a 12v signal. When you scoped the pulse i'm assuming it was a 12v pulse that was generated per revolution/trigger point yeah?

I've not put one on my scope yet as i'm up tome eyeballs in sorting a Motec system out that has way way way bigger issues for me to get my head round at this second. Sorry about that. Also Microtec are closed currently for the August shut down and not back until September. :)
 
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