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I was putting along minding my own business :moped:and this Highway Patrol Officer wanted to talk to me, I mean he was really wanting to talk to me. Evidently he had been wanting to talk to me for several miles. :cussing:

I finally heard his siren at a bus stop type 90 degree turn and then promptly pulled over. Keep in mind I was only just cruising in this 70 mph twisty bit of road. I asked him, What's up? I was only doing 70 and that is when his true intentions became known. He aswered with "Bull Shit, I clocked you at 85 at one point". I then said "Gee Officer I thought I was only doing 70". He then went on to explain that he had been chasing me for several miles and was having a very difficult time keeping up. I explained that there is a lot of wind noise inside my helmet and I did not hear his siren until I slowed way down for the bus stop turn. :confused:
Any way, he cut me some slack on the speeding but gave me a ticket for Failure to give the right of way to an emergency vehical, his vehical I am thinking. It will cost me $85.00.
I was peacefully checking out the new map I got from Chris at XBikes for my MicroTec ECU and very happy with the way everything was going up until that point.
The officer did warn me about using my mirrors from time to time and I explained that usually I am passing everyone so I never worry about the mirrors very much. Cars or trucks can't do the speed limit of 70 on this road but for only small portions of it where a bike can just about everywhere except for the bus stop of course.
He also warned me about the bicycle riders and they sometimes don't stay on the side of the road like they should. I told him I don't go out on the weekends because of that very thing, too many bicycle riders out on Saturdays and Sundays and that I will be careful.
We parted well and we both went on about our own business.
I will in the future be checking my mirrors from now on just to make sure we don't meet like that again. Thank God he only saw me doing 85 and not earlier at well above 100.
The map works well and I am very pleased. :)
I did find something out about my suit though. The speed hump on the back was keeping my helmet from tilting up so I can see so I took it out and shaved a good inch off of the leading edge. My Alpine Star suit has a little hatch on the inside of the hump so you can take the foam out. This was a wonderful thing to do because now I can tilt my head up and not be straining my neck all the time.
This problem was most apparent on the F4 because of the aggressive riding position more so than with any of my other bikes. Also if your back protector is up too high this can also affect how high you can tilt your head up if it is between the back bottom edge of your helmet and your back. This little discovery made my day and even over shadowed the ticket.
I love my F4 even more now than I did before. :love:
 

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I don't want to be a smarty pants but we should all be checking our mirrors in the cruise at say 10 second intervals..That is good roadcraft. We should always have the "radar" on and be aware of the big picture going on around us.
85 - 100 mph is faster than the average traffic speed ( usually ) but an emergency vehicle could very well exceed that..Also other cars and bikes could come up behind you...We have to know whats going on behind.

The fact that we have to move our head slightly to look in the mirrors is a plus as it means the drivers behind can see you checking. I find in heavy traffic this usually results in cars that are a bit close backing off as they pick up on the roadcraft the rider is showing. The action of you being seen to use your mirrors also informs following traffic that you may be about to change your road position.

I think the officer made a good call..The little bit of excessive speed wasn't dangerous...Riders not looking in their mirrors is...

Thanks for sharing your experience..It's good to take something positive from it.

I read the Police Riders Motorcycling hand book recently. It's very informative and also shows you the culture of what officers like to see in our riding...get one !

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A similar thing happened to me last week. I now have a 50 mile commute to work (until I get the house sold!) the route is twisty 'A' roads with the odd good straight and in summer it's busy with holiday traffic, caravans, motorhomes and the like. This particular day I was on the Ducati heading home from work having just passed one of the aforementioned holiday vehicles. A straight section of road beckoned ahead, the throttle got twisted and the velocity approached 3 figures as I closed on another slower vehicle ahead. It was then I noticed cars approaching in the opposite direction were flashing their lights and looking in my mirrors (which are far more use than the MV ones) I saw a patrol car coming up fast with blues and twos all flashing merrily. I could only assume I was the target so I pulled over and waited for the inevitable. To my suprise the Police car flashed past and disappeared into the distance. Joe's advice is very pertinent, keep an eye on those mirrors.
 

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I don't want to be a smarty pants but we should all be checking our mirrors in the cruise at say 10 second intervals..That is good roadcraft. We should always have the "radar" on and be aware of the big picture going on around us.
85 - 100 mph is faster than the average traffic speed ( usually ) but an emergency vehicle could very well exceed that..Also other cars and bikes could come up behind you...We have to know whats going on behind.

The fact that we have to move our head slightly to look in the mirrors is a plus as it means the drivers behind can see you checking. I find in heavy traffic this usually results in cars that are a bit close backing off as they pick up on the roadcraft the rider is showing. The action of you being seen to use your mirrors also informs following traffic that you may be about to change your road position.

I think the officer made a good call..The little bit of excessive speed wasn't dangerous...Riders not looking in their mirrors is...

Thanks for sharing your experience..It's good to take something positive from it.

I read the Police Riders Motorcycling hand book recently. It's very informative and also shows you the culture of what officers like to see in our riding...get one !

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joe
Good post Joe
 

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It might be a good thing if he does read this or any other Patrol officer. I agree he made a good call, I was not paying attention as I should have. I will from now on be looking in my mirrors while driving my car, truck or riding my bikes.
We get into this mode when doing track days or racing for that matter of not looking behind you with good reason. The only thing that matters is what is in front of you or to your sides not behind.
In the world at large to know what is going on around you front and back is very important.
Say you are coming to a stop at a red light. I always check to make sure the person behind me is stopping also. If they are spacing out it could get real ugly for you getting hit from behind. I don't frequint town and stay out on the back roads except to gas up at the first station on the way into town and then back out again.
When I am on the street I need to be in the street mode not the race track mode.
I am glad I got stopped and take it as a warning to pay more attention in the future of what is going on around me 360 degrees. Thank you Officer Friendly :)
 

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I was putting along minding my own business :moped:and this Highway Patrol Officer wanted to talk to me, I mean he was really wanting to talk to me. Evidently he had been wanting to talk to me for several miles. :cussing:

I finally heard his siren at a bus stop type 90 degree turn and then promptly pulled over....

.....I explained that there is a lot of wind noise inside my helmet and I did not hear his siren until I slowed way down for the bus stop turn. :confused:

So remember all you Loud Pipes kiddies...rear facing noise does nothing but disturb the peace...and lose your rights.

(Sorry, had to! :blah::blah::blah:)



On the subject of the thread, it is nice to hear that the Mr. Officer Friendly got his point across without killing your insurance rates:drummer: for the next six years.....:wtf:
 

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From time to time i check my mirrors...

But if something of that woul happen to me:
1st-He wouldn't catch up...
2nd-Because of first I wouldnt pull over..
3rd- I also was not going to hear him. After 180km 200km i only hear is wind..

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silentservice,
Hey Old Buddy!
The truth is it had absolutly nothing to do with loud pipes, it was the wind noise inside the helmet, a Shoei and a new model that does fit very well. That is why I did not hear him until I got to the slow 90 degree corner and the wind noise was reduced. I really should be wearing ear plugs anyway, it is the wind noise that will make you deaf not the pipes.
In regard to loud pipes the only peace I disturb is the cows, I stay out of town and when in town I mind my manors. :)
 

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Sage,,,yes, I know it wasn't a loud pipes issue. The point there, was that the "loud pipes" minority use the slogan "loud pipes save lives" under the erroneous belief that a loud motorcycle can be heard, and, therefore, will be seen and, therefore, will be safer.

This initial post was a prime example of the idiocy of that belief.

The comparison: Police siren blaring forward facing noise at a frequency and volume designed to be heard by approaching and approached vehicles CAN'T be heard by a rider on an open air vehicle.

As opposed to: rearward facing noise from the low unrestrcited exhaust of an obnoxiously loud motorcycle.

My louded motorcycle, a Ducati, is 110 decibels at half throttle and, technically is illegal to run in the state of MA.

Noise it probably the number one issue facing the abilty of us motorcyclists to contiue to ride and modify the machines we love. Check the AMA legal webpages and see what is driving land-grabs and track shutdowns.

I appologise for the misunderstanding...I was not implying that your bike is loud.

FWIW, I have worked around turbines and have ridden motorcycles for a very long time...mostly always with full face helmets and ear plugs regardless of the volume of noise generated becasue long term exposure to low levels of moderate noise will casue permanent hearing loss. My ability to hear is that of a much younger man.
 

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I didn't spot the unmarked car following me, luckily they didn't clock me open up 3rd gear before braking back down as I would be in deep do do.

They were both bike cops and were very civil. They liked the bike, and are putting me down for a speed awareness course but the CPS might ignore them and do me anyway. It's been 3 months and I hav'n't heard yet.

Talked to a biker who said he got his court date with just one week to go within the 6 months they have to do you in.

I overtook 6 cars on a good straight, no juntions, I started out well only going by them with 15mph, so doing 75mph in a 60mph limit. But a car was oncoming in the distance, I should of pulled back in, but force of habit told me to give the throttle a stab to clear the last 2 cars and woops the Coppers showed me on video doing 97mph peak speed.

If I am done for peak speed and not average then I may get at least a month ban.
Now when I overtake I find myself taking my eyes off the road and watching the speedo, something a friend says he also does, fearing his license more than his death.

The problem is also that shiny leathers and shiny sports bikes do attract attention and an increase of a small amount of speed isn't easily noticed, What's 10-15mph, unless you constantly watch the speedo. And I find when riding the F4 that the speedo is'n't in front of me, but I have to glance down.

Over taking in the country side recently I found my self in the same situation as when I got done and when I looked at the speedo I had reached 83mph during a quick speed up, even though I was trying to be careful. That's just 2 mph from possible ban speed.

When I was younger we never even thought about the police because they weren't about. Now even though I would feel safer finnishing an overtake cleanly, I suppose the next line of cars I will have to slowly hop past a few at a time. Times have changed alot for someone who hasn't done much biking in recent years.

It seems the golden years are gone. I suppose I should feel lucky when I think back to my youth when everyday I reach speeds which would now involve possible jail sentences now. I mean how easy is it for a modern super smooth sports bike to reach over 100mph during opening up in a single gear? I mean it doesn't even feel fast on a modern machine.
 

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FWIW, a few years back when I was involved in this sort of thing, ESL (Exceed Speed Limit) has to be either instant speed (when detected by RADAR etc) or average over a certain distance (VASCAR or followed by officer with certified speedometer). The shortest distance under VASCAR used to be 0.125 mile, but I believe that may have been halved under certain circumstances.

They will IMHO take a couple of nominal points on the video (could be any marks on the road surface, shadows etc) and take the average speed between those points. This would normally be done at the time of follow, before you were stopped.

If the video shows a 'rolling speed' display, that's likely to be the speed of the police car at any instant, not your vehicle. This speed could be derived from an impulse from the vehicle electronics (the part that tells the beeper to sound when your seat belt isn't fastened over a certain speed) or more unlikely from a magnetic detector on the crank shaft. These have to be calibrated and verified regularly (every shift). The other way of generating speed figures could be with GPS but this is not recognised by the courts and cannot be used for prosecution.
 
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