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If you were buying an out of warranty bike from a private seller and he had serviced the machine diligently and kept detailed records of his work, would this lower the value to you of the bike compared to say a dealer serviced bike ?

My point is that to a person with reasonable mechanical aptitude our bikes are not difficult to maintain. It costs alot of time and money to put bikes into a dealer for servicing...There are very few dealers I would give my bike to.

A rider who knows how to maintain his bike safely will get alot more out of motorcycling...imho of course.

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Spot on Joe.
I have seen recent posts of 600 U.S. Dollar bills for servicing. I can´t afford that. Especially if I am unsure of the quality of the work. These are not hard machines to service properly. The right tools of course are a must.
I had trouble convincing my local Dyno man, who I know personally, that I "WILL" be around any time he lays hands on my bike.
I have set the TPS, checked valves, stripped the rear hub, rebuilt the forks, changed the rear shock and will, (thanks Dons!!) overhaul the steering damper, etc. etc.
Overall, not that hard.
A home serviced bike may make it a better bet if you have confidence in the owner.
 

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good question. It would depend on who had done the servicing i guess. Some shops are better then some owners, some owners are better then some shops, but if it was a toss between a good shop and a good owner, then i would rather a good owner. No one takes care of a bike better then the person who paid for it.
Its also worth remembering that shops dont generally frequent these types of places, where owners discuss and reports problems, where weak points are discussed about the bikes, eg Rear Hub. I would never put my bike into a normal bike shop for a service. I parked my bike outside one once, it created a little interest, obviously, then the work shop manager offered to tighten my chain as it was 'a little loose'. Anyone with only half a brain would have taken him up on that kind offer. A few hundred miles later he would be stranded at the side of the road with a busted rear hub wondering why.....
 

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As long as the home mechanic could show some basic mechanical nouse I would most likely accept the servicing was done correctly. It really is not that hard.
If the person was to have been a racer then I would be even more inclined to accept his work . Both of the above points would be confirmed by an inspection of the vehicle first.

things like slightly rounded heads on bolts and screws which may show a wrong size spanner or screwdriver leads me to believe of shitty work ( and a lack of tools )
these machines I steer away from

Shop mechanics charge $80.00 and hour for labour and o/head rates then add a percentage onto parts also.

It is surprising how much just a smell of the crankcase filler cap can tell. Ever tried it ??

burnt engine oil that has not been changed frequently has a distinctive odour
 

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I'd actually give more weight to a knowledgeable person doing the work on the bike. Most of the time its not going to be a dealer tech. that will fit this description. I've seen the crap those blokes do. If the bike owner keeps meticulous records with receipts and possibly even pictures(some might be so anal to do so) then it would be just as good as dealer service in most folks minds.
 

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+1 on the personally serviced bike IF (and that's a big if) the owner is competent. You could possibly discern that from a peek in his garage at his tool box and other toys.

Most dealer techs do not take the time to meticulously look at everything about the bike when they service it. A good tech will, but those are few and far between it seems. At the dealership it is all about getting the bike on the lift and off in less then the allotted time (efficiency, productivity...these are metrics the manager is watching closely and rating the techs on). The dealer tech wants to bill 60 hours for his 40 hour work week....kind of like lawyers and doctors.

An owner with decent technical skills will lovingly and carefully look at everything on his bike while he services it. I know I do. I'll buy a bike from me any day. :naughty:
 

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As i am not very good with mechanics i'm affraid i would have to go down the dealer route,however i won't take mine to any Tom,Dick or Harry so my problem is where to go there are no dealers in my area that I have heard a good word about.If anyone can reccomend somewhere it would be a great help.
 

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Every time I've put the MV into an official service agency it's come back with problems. I've had battery acid spilt down from the tray, down the suspension and across the swing arm. I've had the chain done up tighter than Vanessa Mae's G-string. Not to mention accidental damage and filth spattered all over it.

On the other hand, work done at a local Honda dealership (you know the one) was done promptly, cheaply and perfectly. I know where I'll take it next time.
 

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Hmmmm

Good question.

If the bike is serviced by the dealership, it's officially documented and the work is warrantied. If you buy the bike knowing you won't have the necessary funds to service/maintain it, then this bike is out of your price range; look elsewhere. Anyone (home mechanic) can swear he changed the oil on schedule and adjusted the valves. No way to prove or disprove.

Servicing/maintaining the bike yourself provides you with a sense of satisfaction. You can save money, if you don't break something or get in over your head. Recommend having someone who knows more or has experience with bikes.

I am a trained mechanic (ASC certified). I cannot determine someone elses mechanical abilities without:
1) Certification
2) Reference(s)
3) Watching them work

Items such as tools and shop cleanliness only come into affect after the 3 items above are addressed.
 

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Some shops are better then some owners, some owners are better then some shops

well said

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Every time I've put the MV into an official service agency it's come back with problems. I've had battery acid spilt down from the tray, down the suspension and across the swing arm. I've had the chain done up tighter than Vanessa Mae's G-string. Not to mention accidental damage and filth spattered all over it.

On the other hand, work done at a local Honda dealership (you know the one) was done promptly, cheaply and perfectly. I know where I'll take it next time.

I had the steering damper scratched badly on the first service. It is scratched on the back so I didn;t see it untio I took it off myself months later.

I have taken these dampers on and off many times and never scratched one at all.

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As i am not very good with mechanics i'm affraid i would have to go down the dealer route,however i won't take mine to any Tom,Dick or Harry so my problem is where to go there are no dealers in my area that I have heard a good word about.If anyone can reccomend somewhere it would be a great help.
Andrew, The only dealer I would entrust to my MV is Russ at Bennetts of Barnsley..They also offer nationwide collection and redelivery of the bike.

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Except

But none of what I said applies to that guy who hung his motorcycle on the wall. That was the true definition of "motorcycle art."

If someone remembers where that forum is, please bring it to the front.
 
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