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Friends I haven't seen in a while Bought new bikes this season . One Got a 2014 Kawasaki ZX10RR and another bought 2015 Suzuki GSXR 1000RR.Anouther friend came also who owns a 2011? BMW S1000RR. To celebrate we took off work ,went out to the sticks/pocanos and went for crazy / break neck ride. My 2007 MV AGUSTA is worked= soup to nuts , racing radiator,race water pump, hub, microtec,CRC race exhausts, race intake JRI 28/30 mm fork cartridges nitro best race shock discantti front rotors ISR front calipers , BRAKING cam front master cylinders,Grip one pro 2 traction/wheelie control ect ect . So its a bit more refined than stock. We rode/raced for the whole day had a blast. We swapped bikes from time to time ,so I ended up riding the latest greatest bikes on the market back to back . I can say without bias that my MV 1000R handling was on par with all the new tech bikes and had MORE bottom end power. NONE of us are ready for WSBK racing bikes like the ZX10R and BMW S1000RR that arnt in there power range until 9000 rpm lost ground on exits in tighter corners . I had more fun on my less refined F41000R than on any of the other bikes. The raw excitement made me love my bike over all the other bikes. maybe its just my age ( im 50) but its so much more fun to RIDE the bike instead of the bike being SO good refined you feel like the bike is riding and your a passenger.
 

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BTW everyone was shocked how well the f4 handled and how much power it had. It was in the mix up front all day . the BMW S1000RR was second best bike IMHO and the 2015 GSXR 1000RR had 4th (last) nailed down . BUT the new graphics for the 2015 GSXR 1000RR looks MUCH beter in person than In pics.
 

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HI Quad... did you take delivery of your Kawasaki H2 yet? Very Cool bike , in fact its legendary right out of the box . Im looking at getting 2016 H2. Get the bugs out and frankly when I read the headers run red hot, it put me back a bit. The H2R headers run red hot isn't a surprise being it has 300hp but I cant see why the H2 would run so hot? The Supercharged Roehr 1250SC runs same head temps as normally aspirated engines?
 

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HI Quad... did you take delivery of your Kawasaki H2 yet? Very Cool bike , in fact its legendary right out of the box . Im looking at getting 2016 H2. Get the bugs out and frankly when I read the headers run red hot, it put me back a bit. The H2R headers run red hot isn't a surprise being it has 300hp but I cant see why the H2 would run so hot? The Supercharged Roehr 1250SC runs same head temps as normally aspirated engines?
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My guess is Jake is a very accomplished rider versus his buds.
 

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Had an H1 back in the day.....
Very fast, as long as you didn't want to slow down, or change directions.
Had a serious hi-speed wobble issue.
Sold that thing and went back to Brit/Ital bikes.
 

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Thank you Randy but I don't Consider myself a GOOD rider just average. been riding since I was 9 but that doesn't make one a GOOD rider , just a long time rider lol.

I am a firm believer that the bike the rider feels most comfortable/confident on will end up being the bike he is fastest on .

I have shocked ALOT of Superbike riders on my Triumph Sprint ST 1050. I dropped at least 50lbs of the bike and upgraded it to the head to toe but it still only has 130 RWHP . (thinking of getting full race cams/heads this winter add 20hp) But being comfortable /confindent I will carry corner speeds that I wont do on my other bikes. Also being Comfortable/confident on a bike makes your riding more consistent .
 

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Like I said, I'm guessing Jake is a very accomplished rider.......

New name for Jake: "Jake the Snake". :smoking:
 

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Your too kind , that particular ride I rode as I had in the past , hanging off knee down. HURT LIKE HELL THE NEXT DAY LOL. Being my spine collapsed in on itself from the last middle vertibre/disks and ALL the lower Vertibre/disks I have been TRYING? to re learn riding fast again riding Upright like Agostini did in the 1960s/1970s. Those old time riders had a titanium set of balls . Riding fast upright feels like your riding a top of a sky skraper lol. When the rear slides you have to hold onto the tank with your thyes, lean your upper body and push on right foot peg. Coming out of corner , you straiten back up and push on left foot peg. Sounds easy , but you feel detatched and the suspension compresses more than when your hanging off. Also your lines have to be very wide and carry more mid corner speed. Squaring off the corner is out of the question because you can slid rear wheel but not anywhere near as much as you can riding in normal knee down method.
 

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So I shouldn't sell my 2005 F4 1000 for a 2015 R1?
No......the first gen F4 is and always will be iconic. It'll be cool 30 years from now. The 2015 R1 is just the latest/greatest expression of technology that'll be superseded in the next 6 months by some one else.
 

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No......the first gen F4 is and always will be iconic. It'll be cool 30 years from now. The 2015 R1 is just the latest/greatest expression of technology that'll be superseded in the next 6 months by some one else.
Yes you are probably right. I like the way you put it. I have an opportunity to do a straight trade for one though. Brand new. I'm debating it.
 

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If your looking towards the moto media for a reference I would recommend waiting until there are a few reviews/test/comparisons have been written . The first reviews on a new model always seem to make out that the bike is the greatest thing since beer in a can . After a few tests and a comparison or two the articles are written more with there head than there heart . EXAMPLE the first comparison in MSN between the Yamaha R1, the BMW S1000RR and the Suzuki Hayabusa, the Yamaha R1 was the clear winner over the BMW S1000RR 2-3 weeks later in MSN a second comparison between The Yamaha R1, The BMW S1000RR and now the Ducati 1299. This time ( 3 weeks later) the BMW S1000RR was the winner over the Yamaha R1 and the Ducati 1299?? the 2nd article was written better and was more complete and had less hype. Also it made more sence . The 1st article had the S1000RR and the R1 having nearly identicle weight and hp yet the R1 lacked the top end of the S1000RR.In the 2nd comparison the S1000RR had 7 more hp (R1=189 vs S1000RR =196) and same weight . Hence better top end . Just remember.. YOUR the best tester for YOU , the bike you like best is the best bike in the world .
 

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If your looking towards the moto media for a reference I would recommend waiting until there are a few reviews/test/comparisons have been written . The first reviews on a new model always seem to make out that the bike is the greatest thing since beer in a can . After a few tests and a comparison or two the articles are written more with there head than there heart . EXAMPLE the first comparison in MSN between the Yamaha R1, the BMW S1000RR and the Suzuki Hayabusa, the Yamaha R1 was the clear winner over the BMW S1000RR 2-3 weeks later in MSN a second comparison between The Yamaha R1, The BMW S1000RR and now the Ducati 1299. This time ( 3 weeks later) the BMW S1000RR was the winner over the Yamaha R1 and the Ducati 1299?? the 2nd article was written better and was more complete and had less hype. Also it made more sence . The 1st article had the S1000RR and the R1 having nearly identicle weight and hp yet the R1 lacked the top end of the S1000RR.In the 2nd comparison the S1000RR had 7 more hp (R1=189 vs S1000RR =196) and same weight . Hence better top end . Just remember.. YOUR the best tester for YOU , the bike you like best is the best bike in the world .
Very good comment! This is what I noticed too with reviews of new bikes in any magazine. In the beginning it is all halleluja and later it becomes more critical. And... With the same bike they can say complete contradictionary things within a few weeks. Would they not notice that?
 

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In the United States, it doen't make a lick of difference what the magazines say reference liter bikes. The only thing I would be concerned with is the dealer support and reliability of the bike. Everyone of them is too fast to mean anything under street conditions. I would buy the bike you want and enjoy it.
 
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