[factorysbk]

I just tested on the track both bikes, well, I have to say that RR is impressive as engine performance.
Near to 8/9K rpm engine push alot, quite too much.

Hp delivery its imprssive but not really what you need for an efficient ideal lap....

The std suspension Setup is too hard and very unconfortable.
Ride that bike is very stressful on track....(very tough). I did 3-4 adjustment tests before find a good compromise.
Electrical suspensions setting...... its a gadget , It doesen't worth


the F4 R is better to use, easier and more comfortable, the engine performance are quite the same (4/5 hp less) but power output delivery is "fairest" .

its mean more relax and cofidence and a better time attack for average gentlemen riders....

 

[suryad]

That would explain why the MV came dead last with a circa 1:32 lap...and the Aprilia came first...1:29.8 and then HP4 and then Panigale in a recent Motociclismo test.

 

[rchase]

I think in some ways MV misses the ergonomic and rider comfort parts of the package. Don't get me wrong I admire their take no prisoners hard edged approach but I think ultimately it ends up costing them. Making a bike that "feels" good increases rider confidence and get's better lap times.

Although for a street bike the MV feels amazingly fast. I love the sensation of speed that you get with an F4. It's a wonderful thing.

 

[rchase]

Electrical suspensions setting...... its a gadget , It doesen't worth

Interesting. My Roadracing World magazine just arrived today and they seemed to really like the electronic suspension stuff for the Panigale R. I don't know much about the MV system but I know the Ducati and BMW systems auto adjusts your dampening settings. While it probably seems like a gizmo adjusting these things when the temps change and your fork and shock oil is cold seems like a huge PITA.

It could be worse though. I own a vintage bike that has manual (open your fork and insert shims) preload adjustment. Technology has come a long way.

 

[jpc]

The Australian Importer has dropped the F4R, you can only get the F4 or the F4RR here now.
I picked up my new F4R mid December, but was thinking of waiting on the 13 F4R, glad I didn't wait now.

 

[hennessy]

I'm not 100% on this but seems to me in a few tests where the F4's r down on lap times, it always seem to b for the same reason, lack of rider confidence on the bike.... Which is fair enough that standard setup of these bikes isn't the best.... However do they try really seting them up, because i've also seen massively impressive lap times in test, and i cant see a reason even my 2010 F4 wouldn't give the BMW 1 hell of a run for its money around a track, let alone the new F4RR.... U just have to get the setup right, i've been slowly tweaking mine and cant wait to get it to the track now because the difference is increadable

 

[rchase]

I'm not 100% on this but seems to me in a few tests where the F4's r down on lap times, it always seem to b for the same reason, lack of rider confidence on the bike.... Which is fair enough that standard setup of these bikes isn't the best.... However do they try really seting them up, because i've also seen massively impressive lap times in test, and i cant see a reason even my 2010 F4 wouldn't give the BMW 1 hell of a run for its money around a track, let alone the new F4RR.... U just have to get the setup right, i've been slowly tweaking mine and cant wait to get it to the track now because the difference is increadable

In most of the tests the competition is ready to go right out of the crate. An MV requires a lot more tinkering than that. When you have 5 bikes to test it's a huge time investment to research and setup things the right way.

MV does a lot of fibbing about their bikes. There's an interesting thread here about the weight fibs that they have told about the F3. Its a shame really.... Credibility is really important these days.

 

[suryad]

I sincerely doubt a tweaked HP4 and a tweaked MV RR put in the hands of the same capable rider will put out same times. That's just my gut feeling. Having ridden a 1000RR and my Senna on the same roads the 1000RR has given me much more confidence in going faster than the MV.

 

[rchase]

I sincerely doubt a tweaked HP4 and a tweaked MV RR put in the hands of the same capable rider will put out same times. That's just my gut feeling. Having ridden a 1000RR and my Senna on the same roads the 1000RR has given me much more confidence in going faster than the MV.

Absolutely. That's actually one of the things I like about the MV. It feels fast even when your not going fast.

The BMW 1000RR even at absolutely retarded speeds feels solid and quite honestly slow. Vibrations and noise all contribute to the sensation of speed. BMW's weird looking bike is quite aerodynamic and they have done a lot to deal with the vibration. I have heard many a motorcycle test rider complain about the vibrations on an MV.

 

[lmcmulle]

All I can add to this disucssion. I bought a Ducati Monster S4RS which is the last real super-bike based monster for my girlfriend.

She found it utterly unridable.

She hopped on my MY10 F4 and was instantly comfortable. Perhaps there are other bikes that are better for confidence. but the F4 kicks the heck out of the ducati's at least as far as novice comfort is concerned.

 

[hennessy]

Yes the competition definately has the edge over MV out of the create, which is why MV needs to b in SBK with with the rest of them ... 2 main problems i've found is the massive step in power as u go for full throttle and the nervous front end on slow speed turn in... The step in power is fixed with exhaust and tune, and the front end, With a few tweaks... Set these bikes up properly and they would have to b competitve in SBK, i mean if the CBR was competitve last year the F4 would have to b

Ive also ridden the 2011 BMW RR and it definately has some power, but the F4 is 10* more exciting to ride, power delivery, general feel... Everything .... However as said all the things that make it so much more fun r its imperfections, they give real character

 

[BSR-1]

Agreed that the S1000RR is very powerful but compared to the MV the beemer just isn't as exciting to ride.
Of course my BMW had a full exhaust and PC-V and my MV is still stock so I'm not really comparing apples to apples.
Just waiting on the pipe and ECU to have a part # for the 2013's, can't even order it yet.

 

[rchase]

All I can add to this disucssion. I bought a Ducati Monster S4RS which is the last real super-bike based monster for my girlfriend.

She found it utterly unridable.

She hopped on my MY10 F4 and was instantly comfortable. Perhaps there are other bikes that are better for confidence. but the F4 kicks the heck out of the ducati's at least as far as novice comfort is concerned.

What did she find made the Monster so bad? I rode an Evo 1100 and the chassis was top notch but the bucking and surging at low RPM's made the bike difficult to deal with at low speeds. The chassis was really comfy and top notch though.

 

[fasduc]

Interesting. My Roadracing World magazine just arrived today and they seemed to really like the electronic suspension stuff for the Panigale R. I don't know much about the MV system but I know the Ducati and BMW systems auto adjusts your dampening settings. While it probably seems like a gizmo adjusting these things when the temps change and your fork and shock oil is cold seems like a huge PITA.

It could be worse though. I own a vintage bike that has manual (open your fork and insert shims) preload adjustment. Technology has come a long way.

Only the BMW HP4 auto adjusts dampening settings as you ride. The Ducati just has presets that you set w/ the electronics.

 

[rchase]

Only the BMW HP4 auto adjusts dampening settings as you ride. The Ducati just has presets that you set w/ the electronics.

Hey. Thanks for the clarification.

It's really interesting though. Suspension technology has come a long way. I own an older sport bike with manually shimmed preload in the front forks and a preload adjuster in the back and no dampening settings at all. The preload adjusters and dampening settings were a huge advance in technology and now the electronic dampening settings is a further evolution.

I wonder what's next. Automatic preload and springs that work with "any" rider would be the ultimate in electronic suspension. Imagine having a perfectly setup bike every time you jumped on even if you had too many burgers at your local greasy spoon. THAT is some technology that I would love to see.

On the flip side of that though many of these electronic systems add weight to bikes. There are a few well designed "oldy moldy" bikes out there that are still quite able to leave new bikes behind in the turns because of weight and their superior designs. As far as we have come with technology there are still limitations.

 

[silentservice703]

What did she find made the Monster so bad? I rode an Evo 1100 and the chassis was top notch but the bucking and surging at low RPM's made the bike difficult to deal with at low speeds. The chassis was really comfy and top notch though.

The S4Rs is a bike that does not like to be ridden aggressively below 4000 rpm. Hard acceleration from below that will result in a delay and then the power will hit, and it will hit hard, as you go beyond 4500 rpm. If you are not ready for that, or don't have the experience to roll back the throttle, you will end up applying more power than you want as the bike tries to get out from under you.

At low RPM, I refer to my S4Rs as "The Tractor".

 

[rchase]

Sounds pretty interesting.

 

[lmcmulle]

What did she find made the Monster so bad? I rode an Evo 1100 and the chassis was top notch but the bucking and surging at low RPM's made the bike difficult to deal with at low speeds. The chassis was really comfy and top notch though.

That was it really under 4k the bike is virtually un-rideable... So as a novice it wasn't any good for her confidence --

 

[rchase]

That was it really under 4k the bike is virtually un-rideable... So as a novice it wasn't any good for her confidence --

Yeah. I could see how that would suck for someone who's new. The first time they try to "escape from traffic" they get a nasty surprise. :/

 

[cleophus james]

My bro has a S4RS tricolore. It's a wicked fun bike to ride, but it is not for novices.

Neither is an F4, mind you, but at least it lets you know up front with its appearance. The S4RS is wolf in sheep's clothing.