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hi all,

I 've been away for some time now.

Some of you know that I sold my F4-1000R to buy a 1098S.

I now have 5200km on the 1098S, so I can compaire the bikes now.

First of all I want to say that I always loved the design of the F4. Even before I had my license, I fell in love with the F4-750. The design is simply amazing!! Even now, 10 years old, it can still fit in between current bikes.
So here we go:

The used materials don't give much difference. There is no difference in riding "feel" between the ohlins fork and rear shock on my 1098S and the Marzocchi and Sachs from my F4-1000R. Both bikes are extremely stable under high speeds. Now that I finally mounted a 190/55 (wich is the standard tire for the 1098S, as it is for the F4-1000R) i must say that it steers lighter then my MV. A difference in weight (that untill I mounted the 190/55) I only felt when I was riding slow or parking the bike. The wheels are completely the same.

Overall finish of the MV is better. The detailed finish of the mirrors, paintwork, etc... it 's just better then on the 1098S. As everyone over here knows, the fairings from the F4 come of in 10 sec. The ones on the 1098S are bolted on with 666 lil screws...

Brakes... of the 1098S are better! Better? Yes, the BITE. First couple of hundred km you HAVE to get used to them. Once used to them, stopping power is amazing. When I owned the F4, I couldn't imagine how any brakes could be better then the ones on the F4, but they can!

So how is the power output compaired to the F4?

The 1098 (1098 and 1098S have identical engines) has a lot of torque! Power comes out rough and starting at 4000RPm it feels like an animal. Contrary to other twins that I testrode, the 1098 pulls untill the rev limiter kicks in at 10700Rpm. So it does have that endrush feeling like on a 4 cyl, but on a 4 cyl the feeling of the endrush is more intense because of the increasing engine sound, were the twin allready barks from idle.

Because of the torque and I guess it's weight, the 1098 lifts it's nose comming out of corners, when you wack that throttle open. so really spectacular experience!

top speed of the F4 is higher! the 1098S hits 286km/u (on GPS) and that is what most jap 4 cyl sportsbikes hit on a GPS. It does hit it's rev limiter in 6th. So when you change sprockets, top speed could go up, but it would accelerate slower.

So what is the best bike? hard to tell. They are different!

The MV has the best looks (but that's a personal opinion) and the best overall finish. But the 1098S is also spectacular to ride at low speeds, you don't need the endrush to have fun due to the torque.

I had a lot of warranty issues with my F4-1000R and its fuel consumption was a nightmare compaired to my 1098S.
I will always like an F4 and I am glad I owned a F4-1000R, but I don't mis it. I like my 1098S and (like the MV) it keeps me in the garage for hours, just looking at it.

I hope you liked my 1098S review. I tried to be honeoust.

This is my 1098S at the moment:



GreetZ,

Peet.
 

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Nice write up Peet. :) I think you have been very honest with your assessment of both bikes. One question, you mention the fuel consumption of the F4 is worse than the 1098 but doesn't the 1098 have a very small tank so it's range is quite poor?
 

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Hi peet! Glad you came back to let us know how it was all going. Your 1098S looks great.

It's unfortunately you had the warranty issues ont he F4R. What kind of gas mileage are you seeing on the 1098S with similar riding behaviour? Miles per tank?

They are both great bikes, and very different as you say. Low end torque is very appealing for its own reasons. Both beautiful bikes
 

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john said:
Nice write up Peet. :) I think you have been very honest with your assessment of both bikes. One question, you mention the fuel consumption of the F4 is worse than the 1098 but doesn't the 1098 have a very small tank so it's range is quite poor?
the range is the same. But the Ducati has a smaller tank.

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Allan Gibbs said:
Peet, what range were you getting with the F4?
80 - 90 Miles.
 

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Nice review, Peet :f4:

They are both great bikes, no doubt.

The best would be to have them all :friday:
 

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I just got the 1098S.

Two completely different bikes.

A few things I would also add to the assessment.

The 1098 vibrates alot taking away from feel from front end, takes a little getting used to.....the whole v-twin thing. I think the MV feels more stable at all speeds....especially at high.
The 1098 feels light and flickable but twitchy but the MV needs a little bit more effort ( I believe the MV's weight / feel is appropriate for it's power ).

I like them both but it's all what you are looking for.

Both great bikes but I am more biased towards my MV (in-line). The V-Twin thing is kind of an acquired thing i think.................
 

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Thanks for coming back to write that Peet, oddly enough I was looking at a Tricolore today! and trying to see why the MV has supposedly the better build quality, the shop keep trying to get me to take the 1098 out, but up to now I have refused :jsm:
 

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Nice write up Peet. Two great bikes two different riding experiences hard to compare Ducati with anything. BTW range on my F4 R was 128 mountain miles and luckily did not ran out of gas that’s with Ti exhaust and race ECU.
 

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That interesting because my F4S' range is about 100 miles in the mountain. I've never driven on the freeway more than 30 miles :violin: so I can't tell what the highway range is.
 

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Peet said:
the range is the same. But the Ducati has a smaller tank.
I guess your F4R was screwed up then because i get more than 50km form my MV tank than i get from the 999R tank (that takes the same litres asthe 1098 and i don't think fuell consumption will be much different), mostly due to the fact that the MV tank takes 21 litres while the Duc one takes 15,5 liters.
 

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I guess your F4R was screwed up then because i get more than 50km form my MV tank than i get from the 999R tank (that takes the same litres asthe 1098 and i don't think fuell consumption will be much different), mostly due to the fact that the MV tank takes 21 litres while the Duc one takes 15,5 liters.
Like I said before, the fuel consumption of my F4-1000R was outrageous compaired to my 1098S.
 

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Thanks Peet, a nice write up.

These two machines are both so good it is only natural they will have such comparisons. I am sure there will be guys who buy the 1098 who will go to an MV and of course vice versa and then there are those poor twisted souls who will buy both.

I must admit being a long time Ducati guy, I was tempted to jump on the 1098 bandwagon, but when I sat down and did the logical thinking thing, I really have the MV sorted now, and it just keeps getting better. So I will fence sit for a year or two.
I can allways ride my mates anyway. Interesting thing is after a comparison with my bike and the 1098, two mates with 1098 orders are now buying the 312R, so It is a real personal thing.
It is good to read such reports so keep them all coming.
 

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One 'problem' I can see with the 1098 came to light when I visted the local Ducati dealer yesterday, there was a row of 1098's, probably about 10 or so all waiting for PDI I pressume, and all with a 'sold' sign on.

He has probably sold 5 times as many 1098's in the last months than the neighbouring MV dealer has sold since 1999...............

MV WILL lose sales because of this, expect the 'new' MV sooner rather than later..............all being done of course to entice Peet back from the dark side :laughing: :laughing:
 

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nice write-up, peet
i know it's from your heart

i'm glad that your 1098 has been a good bike for you
so many others have been having problems....

just like your MV had more warranty issues than most..... many have experienced issues with the 1098, as we all know

of course, as i type this.... my KGT is in the shop.... for the 5th time
needs a new ECU.... can't be ridden.... many problems
so, even my beloved BMW Roundel is not without SIGNIFICANT problems with its flagship bikes



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For sure the 1098S includes more “brand new” technology than the F4. It is a bike with a 100% new design as a whole. Maybe the next 1200R will have traction control and other brand new technology features. Ducati has the knowledge and means to deliver such a bike. MV not. Ducati is in competition with the all the others. MV not.

F4 is traditional with engineering roots up to 1995, and their concept is to show how a superbike has to be designed, quick, stable controllable, simple in manufacture with aesthetic design. She doesn’t include any “brand new” technology.

MV is passion while Ducati is technology.I think they are not to compare!
 
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