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I have just read this very oblique sales pitch on an advert for a new F3 on eBay.

Somewhat out of date I think and whats more it has nothing to do with the new generations of MV Agusta's whatsoever.


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1 Miles, ORDERS NOW BEING TAKEN FOR THE STUNNING MV AGUSTA F3. just £9995 on the road > > > > The dominance of MV Agusta in the world of motorcycle Grand Prix's is in part due to their most victorious engine design. Of the 37 world titles won by the bikes from Cascina Costa,10 are attributed to the bikes with the inline three cylinder engines.MV Agusta was the first motorcycle manufacturer in the world to believe in this technical solution, a risk that paid off with countless victories.The three cylinder projedt began as a twin cam 350 followed by a 500cc version,these bikes were legendary for their power as well as their lighter weight and improved aerodynamics compared to the 4 cylinder competition. The project was designed at the request of Count Agusta,developed on the race track by Giacomo Agostini and raced by the greatest champions of all time winning immediately. Initially the 350 twin cam, followed by the 500 twin cam, these motorcycles became the reference point for all other manufacturers as they offerd unmatched performance allowing them to dominate the competition. This dominance was translated into 10 World titles,9 Italian Championships and 215 race wins. The MV three cylinder was a motorcycle unequaled by the competition by applying technology that was dvanced for its time and destined to become the future for all high performance engines.
 

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It's nice to know that MV have a good history, however, links to their past with adverts like this are untrue and very misleading, I read here that a newbie thought the F3 would come out alright due to MV being the best at making 3 cylinder engines as their racing history proves!

I love the MV history but the links from the old to the modern bikes just aren't there and never can be, it's the same story with Triumph as in the 'name' is carried on and that's about it, doesn't mean it's a bad bike, far from it! the new Triumph's run rings around the old Meriden shite that I lusted after so much in my Teens. From my memory I used to fix all the oil leaks and slipping clutch, loose sprockets etc just for the next Sundays ride, then repeat the process the following week.

At some modern Triumph gatherings they show the old bikes, the old Tridents and the 'slippery Sam' race version plus the X75 Hurricanes etc, and showing new and old all together is OK, but for MV or Triumph to claim that the F3 or Daytona 675 has it's roots in the original bikes in my book is wrong
 

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Whats untrue and misleading about mv's racing history? Also, the f3 was designed in part to pay respects to the old triple racebikes, thus making that history lesson somewhat relevant to the f3! Its just a quick history lesson. Nothing more


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Its just a quick history lesson. Nothing more.

It was supposed to be a sales pitch for the CURRENT F3 though!!

Surely you do realise that the current MV Agusta's have absolutely nothing in common whatsoever with the halcyon days of the mid 70's (and before) other than the name and a logo.

I have never heard that the current F3 was supposed to have been produced 'in part' as a mark of respect to the old triple racebikes.

Where ever did you hear that?
 

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I am afraid gents you will have to understand the Italian mentality a bit better to understand how they came up with that sales pitch.

They do very much somewhat get a bit emotional and carried away with tears in the eyes. It is the Italian way.

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Whats untrue and misleading about mv's racing history?
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Nothing is untrue about MV's illustrious racing heritage.

But the link between it and the current F3 is.

Sadly the only tie between the original MV's and the current one's is the name.
 

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I read that the design of the gear box is similar to the design they used on the race bikes. Does this count ?
 

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I guess a gear is a gear as a piston is a piston, the 3 cylinder race bikes (I don't think they made a 3 cylinder road bike?) stopped around 1974, that's more years ago than the age of a lot of people on here :jsm:
 

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Where ever did you hear that?​
AMCN Vol 61 No 18:
"Sadly, the world lost the F3's father, Claudio Castiglioni, in August last year. It was his ambition to produce a modern day tribute the three-cylinder MV Agusta fire engines which swept Giacomo Agostini to countless GP victories"...
 

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It was supposed to be a sales pitch for the CURRENT F3 though!!


Surely you do realise that the current MV Agusta's have absolutely nothing in common whatsoever with the halcyon days of the mid 70's (and before) other than the name and a logo.

I have never heard that the current F3 was supposed to have been produced 'in part' as a mark of respect to the old triple racebikes.


Where ever did you hear that?

In the latest issue of Sport Rider magazine (Not sure of your location, but its an american magazine), page 57-58, "...Now, a little more than a year, and after the tragic loss in the meantime of the F3's father, Claudio Castiglioni- the man whose ambition it was to produce a modern day tribute to the three-cylinder "fire engines", which swept Giacomo Agostini to coutless GP world championships in the 60's and 70's- the chance finally came to ride the bike that Claudio's son Giovanni has seen through to production after his fathers sad death". As a Technician for both Porsche and Audi, I understand the sales strategy and power behind a company's strong racing history and heritage. Understand this happens with EVERY MANFACTURER with a stong racing history, whether it's cars, motorcycles, dirtbikes, whatever. A lot comes with such a prestigious badge as MV Agusta, which to be honest, is part of the reason why I love these bikes:)
 

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In the latest issue of Sport Rider magazine (Not sure of your location, but its an american magazine), page 57-58, "...Now, a little more than a year, and after the tragic loss in the meantime of the F3's father, Claudio Castiglioni- the man whose ambition it was to produce a modern day tribute to the three-cylinder "fire engines", which swept Giacomo Agostini to coutless GP world championships in the 60's and 70's- the chance finally came to ride the bike that Claudio's son Giovanni has seen through to production after his fathers sad death". As a Technician for both Porsche and Audi, I understand the sales strategy and power behind a company's strong racing history and heritage. Understand this happens with EVERY MANFACTURER with a stong racing history, whether it's cars, motorcycles, dirtbikes, whatever. A lot comes with such a prestigious badge as MV Agusta, which to be honest, is part of the reason why I love these bikes:)
And your point is?
 

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I guess my point is dont be so cynical. mv agusta has a strong heritage. Enjoy it.


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I guess my point is dont be so cynical. mv agusta has a strong heritage. Enjoy it.


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I Agree, but that was never in question :)
 

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Why we buy?

mv agusta has a strong heritage. Enjoy it.
My My.....How times change!!


Some folk here on the forum bought MV Agusta's for what they actually did, others it seems have purchased an MV Agusta as it possibly makes them feel they are then associated with a marque that back in the 60's and 70's was synonymous to a highly successful race team!

Sadly since the mid 1970's things have changed considerably and its a little unreasonable to associate the race pedigree of the last century with the MV Agusta's produced since 2000 in anything other than name,

I have had a few 1000cc MV Agusta's , for me it was because they were 'At the time' the fastest and possibly the best handling 1000cc production motorcycle in the world. (Also undisputedly the most beautiful)

Either way there is a damn good crew of blokes on this forum who have over the years have accrued a great deal of knowledge, Mike especially has purchased and enjoyed many brand new MV Agusta's, (And has considerable Porsche race experience too) however there are some aspects about one or two of the MV Agusta's he has owned that have not been so good.

May I ask will the black 675 be your first MV Agusta? I am rather surprised that you haven't opted for the MV Agusta classic colour scheme of 'Red/Silver'.

That will certainly be my choice come the time when all the early wrinkles have been sorted out.


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It was foreseeable that a thread like this would call the three holy island monkeys back to the key board giving us ROW idiots a lesson about our foolishness. And therefor thank You Ade, Mike and Roy I feel enlightened already.
 

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It was foreseeable that a thread like this would call the three holy island monkeys back to the key board giving us ROW idiots a lesson about our foolishness. And therefor thank You Ade, Mike and Roy I feel enlightened already.
Your so welcome :)
 

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thats me Mike

I tick that box, Im just a yung un:naughty:

(in my dreams)
I remember we stopped by the roadside ( about 1976?), I can't think why? but it's odds on something had fallen off one of our Triumph Bonneville's and............................

An MV Agusta 750 America went howling past, I'll tell ya that was the highlight of the summer and the talk around the local Public house for a fair few weeks :)

I never ever saw another on the road :cry:

Another memory that will remain for ever was:
I was just about to go down one of my favourite roads on my MV1000R, a 20 mile section in N Wales when a single headlamp appeared behind in the distance, damm! I pulled over in case it was plod and a Vincent Black Shadow goes flying past :jsm:

I quickly caught him up and was about to pass him when I thought 'when are you likely to come across another? especially being ridden with this much enthusiasm.........this one was on a mission :jsm:

In fact he was going that hard that on a couple of occasions I backed off fearing I would follow him around a corner to find all kinds of bits of Vincent rolling about on the road, but it never happened, he got into Ruthin and turned into his driveway..................I guess it was 'his' favourire road as well :):)
 

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How is it then, every time I go to any big bike meeting or shows, Giacomo Agostini is there sniffing around the MV stands, trying to get his job/ride back? :naughty: :stickpoke
Yeah, but you've got history with him, anything you want to tell us about......

And thinking about it, is there anyone at MV who you don't know??
 

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Uh ohhhhh did upset the elders? Listen, I didnt mean to start a fire here. I was just pointing out there IS indeed relevance for bringing up mv racing history when talking about the f3. Thats it! To be honest, ive only skimmed the lenthy replies, but yes, this will be my first mv, and im insanely excited about it, and I love the black over the red/silver, but id take either one. I realize the red/silver is traditonal, but it seems everyone is getting that color.


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