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Having the opportunity to ride the F3 on track today for the first time. After running it in in Queensland and a few mountain rides here in Victoria, I was keen to ride it on track

Track: Broadford Raceway
Temp: 22C Dry
F3: Totally Stock except for Supercorsas on Warmers. Mapping Setting 1.

I had my own 1098R there as well and had ridden that a few sessions first, so it was quite a culture shock to hop on the F3.
First off, it feels light and is light, and turns in like no tomorrow. It also holds a beautiful line....Power is OK, theres no saving yourself if you're in the wrong gear. Brakes are really good, and i think the lightness of the bike helps them function the way they do....handling and brakes will never be the issue on and F3 !

The top end rush if pretty impressive too for a 675 and the sound is wicked, but keeping it there and keeping it smooth was difficult for me.
For such a competent bike, the fuelling and throttle set up is a massive let down. It was just plain awful and made the whole session a jittery, nervy mess:-( Part of it may have been me and getting use to the touchy throttle, but it was impossible to hold a constant throttle on any mid corner with any confidence. Even at the apex, kneedown, partially held throttle, the thing had a mind of its own, revs pulsing when it felt like it. So weird.

The bike was changed from S map which I used to run the bike in, to setting N...but for me this has made it worse....I didn't have time to change the settings back again.
Coming from the the throttle/fuelling connection of a 1098R that is just so sublime, really highlighted the achilles heel of most MV's...and this one in particular.Don't get me wrong, otherwise the F3 is great in every respect....but this was so frustrating !!! Being honest though, I think my riding style would have to change as well on the F3 as i didnt ride it that well....I was, in spots trying to ride in on the torque like I do on the Ducati, which is a faster and smoother approach when the torque is massive...not so on the F3, too often I let the revs drop beyond where they should for a 675cc.

On the flipside, I found myself hitting the throttle stop often, and wanting more power to get off the corner.... so, I tried down a gear down on the same corner and the bike would not roll smoothy at all on partially closed throttle, be spasmodic mid corner....bloody hard to extract what it had I can tell you. Calling the F3 underwhelming after riding the 1098R is a little unfair I guess, but it felt like that . Next time I need to extract what its got a little better, but only after the mapping is sorted. I need to re adjust once the bike is sorted....I need a whole day on it.
It would take a good remapping, smoothing out, and me getting my head around how to ride it properly before I could truly enjoy it, but the potential is there, and well documented by other track-riders who have sorted F3,s
I thought I'd be close in lap-times to the 1098R on such a small tight track, but no where near it....1098R was 1.06 {best ever}.....the F3 was out around 1.10 as I just couldn't carry any mid-corner speed with confidence, or get off the corners fast.

All up, a fantastic,beautiful bike spoiled by the throttle and fuelling....I want to try it again in setting Sport that I used on the road, and see if that saves it. I never had these feelings on the road.
Few pics from the day....no doubt it was the most looked at and prettiest bike there !!!! Few on tracks shots will be arriving soon as well...

Edit: revised the mapping settings to what that actually were...there is no magic map 5 on this bike !!!!!
 

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I'm a bit confused about what settings you were using. There are only 4 map options, not 5. N = normal, S = sport, R = rain, C = custom. I have not experienced any surging or hunting type behaviour on track using either normal or sport maps. I have always run it with traction control off as well, maybe TC is part of the problem?
 

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I'm a bit confused about what settings you were using. There are only 4 map options, not 5. N = normal, S = sport, R = rain, C = custom. I have not experienced any surging or hunting type behaviour on track using either normal or sport maps. I have always run it with traction control off as well, maybe TC is part of the problem?
You are lucky then....maybe its just me.

Don't know...when you scroll through the maps, "5" comes up.
That's the 'map' the bike was delivered with...it seemed to run OK on the road with that map.

Maybe it was an "S" not a "5".....I'll need to check with my father in law and check it as I didn't set it or pay too much attention to the dash.Not sure on the TC, I'd run it off too.

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My brother in law remembers at Phillip Island, Flicking through the maps and seeing 5 options, yet the manual was only stating 4....he swears the bike was on setting 5 and looked
through the book to find what 5 was, yet the book only showing the normal 4.........how confusing !!!

I'll chase it up on the bike myself and see if i get to the bottom of the confusion !
 

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theres 4 map settings. S=sport. N=normal. R=rain. C=custom.
Yep...I got to the bottom of the confusion in our family !!!
My father in law who's not into all the latest electronic wizardry...{Bless him} sent me this text...

"Pete, I just checked, just to confirm, it has these settings "N 5 R C"....god I laughed so hard LOL !!!! Since he's had it, he's told me it's been set on 5 - Custom...LOL

So....I ran the bike in on the S setting then, but Cliff has changed it to N setting at Phillip Island last time to get rid of the abrupt throttle. I rode it yesterday in N setting, so hopefully the S setting on track helps.

Cliff prefers the less abrupt throttle on N, but I couldn't get my head around the throttle feel and fuelling....but intially i had no issue with the S setting on the road ....

So there you go, we're all different, and I must be weird :)
I need to try this little rocket again...
 

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Do you happen to remember what the TC was set at? The circle in the upper right corner is the TC indicator. I am thinking that the TC is what was causing the surging. I have found that with newer maps the throttle is a lot better but the TC still needs some work. The map set to S with the TC set to 1 or 2 seems to be the sweet spot for me. With those settings throttle response is near perfect for me.
 

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Do you happen to remember what the TC was set at? The circle in the upper right corner is the TC indicator. I am thinking that the TC is what was causing the surging. I have found that with newer maps the throttle is a lot better but the TC still needs some work. The map set to S with the TC set to 1 or 2 seems to be the sweet spot for me. With those settings throttle response is near perfect for me.
Thanks Vapour...I'll get onto that .
I'm not sure what the TC was set up at....I've never looked as it's not my bike. Surging is a good way of putting it....thats what the bike was doing mid corner.
 

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Edit: Bike TC was set to 0......so no TC
I'll ask if I can ride it again to your settings and see how we go :)

From when I rode it in the mountains, to what i felt on the track, was totally different....hopefully returning to S map and TC setting will cure the fact I didnt get on with it on track.
 

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I ride with TC on 4, never hit it, don't experience the issues you're having so I highly doubt TC has anything to do with it. I have never ridden mine on anything other than 'S'. Had the map updated no more than 6 weeks ago (which has made it far too civilised, the top end has lost it's frantic-ness, most likely from smoothing the curve out, reducing it's wheely prone nature).

I get mine around Broady typically in the 5's but dipped into the 4's while racing, and I have no problem with the throttle at all. In fact it'll go faster in better hands all stock than I can punt it with my distinct lack of talent.

If opportunity arises I'll happily put mine back to back with it on track to give you a second opinion...though mine is getting the exhaust and custom map in the next couple of weeks, so the comparision is probably lost.

I'm disappointed your experience isn't the same as mine.
 

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I ride with TC on 4, never hit it, don't experience the issues you're having so I highly doubt TC has anything to do with it. I have never ridden mine on anything other than 'S'. Had the map updated no more than 6 weeks ago (which has made it far too civilised, the top end has lost it's frantic-ness, most likely from smoothing the curve out, reducing it's wheely prone nature).

I get mine around Broady typically in the 5's but dipped into the 4's while racing, and I have no problem with the throttle at all. In fact it'll go faster in better hands all stock than I can punt it with my distinct lack of talent.

If opportunity arises I'll happily put mine back to back with it on track to give you a second opinion...though mine is getting the exhaust and custom map in the next couple of weeks, so the comparision is probably lost.

I'm disappointed your experience isn't the same as mine.
Thanks for the offer, awesome...ive seen your pics:)
...I was a bit shocked to be honest, as I was the one who ran it in on the road and I loved it....I thought it was brilliant as my previous reports suggest

I think it might be a two-fold problem....one was jumping straight from the 1098R on the F3 and expecting to lap in the 06's immediately without giving myself time to retune to riding it how it needed to be, and secondly the mapping had been dropped from map S to N. My expectations were so high after the immence experience on the road with it, maybe I just got over erratic and excited ?

I'm hoping to get another go, and don't rush getting use to the bike, and see if the fueling issue is really the bike, or me....thinking back, I was kinda erratic and in a rush to go quick from lap 2, so maybe putting the bike back to "S" that im use to, and concentate on being smooth rather than fast might change the whole outcome:) We'll see
 

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I ride with TC on 4, never hit it, don't experience the issues you're having so I highly doubt TC has anything to do with it. I have never ridden mine on anything other than 'S'. Had the map updated no more than 6 weeks ago (which has made it far too civilised, the top end has lost it's frantic-ness, most likely from smoothing the curve out, reducing it's wheely prone nature).

I get mine around Broady typically in the 5's but dipped into the 4's while racing, and I have no problem with the throttle at all. In fact it'll go faster in better hands all stock than I can punt it with my distinct lack of talent.

If opportunity arises I'll happily put mine back to back with it on track to give you a second opinion...though mine is getting the exhaust and custom map in the next couple of weeks, so the comparision is probably lost.

I'm disappointed your experience isn't the same as mine.
After reading this again, I'll definately get Cliff to put it back to "S" mode, because that felt really good on the road rides....I really hope it's as simple as not getting on with the bike in "N" mode. Judging by other track riders of F3's......S mode is the one to be in for spirited riding.

....you can hear the bike here in this video below, being run in with only a few 100km on the clock and in 'S' mode. Apart from my own choppy throttle hand, it sounds spot on.

I'm all anxious now to go back and try this little rocket again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOMD96lhI3s
 

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Might have to buy one of your own, then you wouldn't have to wait.... ;)
Good point...I've had two MV's, the third can wait a bit longer:)
....but cant even afford to run my own bike at the track as much as I'd like.

I'd love an F3 Oro as my pretty road bike and occasional track bike, and the 1098R to rip my head off occasionally....one can dream:f4:
 

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Just my two cents worth. I took mine to the track and have had none of the power surging problems you experienced, both on road and track. I posted somewhere else in the F3 forum on my track day.

My only problem with my F3 is my laziness to get a professional to sort the suspension. Before the track day I misinterpreted someone on here's comments 'to crank up the compression'. That backfired with plenty of airtime between the rear tire and the track surface. I rooted the rear tyre in a day but had so much fun anyway. I now have my front and rear compression set to minimum, zero, zilch and still bumps seem too hard at times and can bounce me out of the seat.

On track I got terrible headshakes coming out of a sweeper onto a long straight. Had to back of the power sometimes which was a piss off with bikes nipping at your heels. A steering damper would have helped.

99% of the time I am happy with the suspension though so to be honest, and money isn't falling out of the sky at me, I can live with the suspension. Everything else with the F3 is perfect. I'd rather save pennies towards changing to a Brutale 800 in 12 or 18 months time. That will be a great road and track bike.
 

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Interesting problem. I jumped from a 848 onto the F3 and dropped 5 seconds the first session from my best lap times. TC set at 4 generally, and here is the interesting part, my lap times are about the same in N as they are in S. Very little difference. It definitely feels more like a wild beast in S than in N and so you have to "watch" rolling on and off the gas mid corner as this can upset the bike more, (and hence perhaps why N times are as good as its more confidence inspiring and you can just let the bike roll through). I definitely like the riding the bike in S more, but really, it seems close to as fast. More front breaking and less engine breaking of course, and you have to be decided about rolling onto the gas in N or it'll just fairy its way on, but other than that...
 

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great review. I would have run the same setup at first: stock with Supercorsas, so it's interesting to read your review. can't wait to hear more of your thoughts after you give it another go on the track. I'm a fan.
 

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Interesting problem. I jumped from a 848 onto the F3 and dropped 5 seconds the first session from my best lap times. TC set at 4 generally, and here is the interesting part, my lap times are about the same in N as they are in S. Very little difference. It definitely feels more like a wild beast in S than in N and so you have to "watch" rolling on and off the gas mid corner as this can upset the bike more, (and hence perhaps why N times are as good as its more confidence inspiring and you can just let the bike roll through). I definitely like the riding the bike in S more, but really, it seems close to as fast. More front breaking and less engine breaking of course, and you have to be decided about rolling onto the gas in N or it'll just fairy its way on, but other than that...
....the F3 doesnt really feel much of a "wild beast" to me Corren, but its all relative. Just feels a little twitchy and flighty to me but I liked that side of the bike:) Next to an 848, yeah I can see your point. The power itself is lovely on the F3, but the 1098R; now thats the wild beast dude...LOL:naughty:

I can undertstand dropping times from 848 to F3....and I can see how the F3 inspires confidence to go fast. It's not intimidating yet grips like no tomorrow !
 
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