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It was cold, it was damp. 5 degrs C and greasy country roads.

First rode the 1090RR, bog standard. Was expecting and certainly hoping to be pleasantly surprised by the progress of the new model. Didn't feel very comfortable on it. Was that traction control on or off, I thought, fishtailing my way past an oncoming artic while shifting into 2nd. Same folded leg feeling as the new F4. Strong engine, slightly boring sound and feel. On/off throttle response; roundabouts decidedly tiptoe in these conditions. Not very agile, Sportsmarts ice cold of course.

Then an 989R, also bog standard. Immediately comfortable, smooth throttle response, great gear change, great sounding and feeling engine (yes!), agile, SC Pro's?, no front brake that I could notice, mirrors?

So that's a black and white 1078RR then, inox pipes + race ECU, neoprene and leather seat and a few more fripperies... :brutale:
 

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It was cold, it was damp. 5 degrs C and greasy country roads.

First rode the 1090RR, bog standard. Was expecting and certainly hoping to be pleasantly surprised by the progress of the new model. Didn't feel very comfortable on it. Was that traction control on or off, I thought, fishtailing my way past an oncoming artic while shifting into 2nd. Same folded leg feeling as the new F4. Strong engine, slightly boring sound and feel. On/off throttle response; roundabouts decidedly tiptoe in these conditions. Not very agile, Sportsmarts ice cold of course.

Then an 989R, also bog standard. Immediately comfortable, smooth throttle response, great gear change, great sounding and feeling engine (yes!), agile, SC Pro's?, no front brake that I could notice, mirrors?

So that's a black and white 1078RR then, inox pipes + race ECU, neoprene and leather seat and a few more fripperies... :brutale:
I wish I could understand what you're saying :blah:
But one thing's for sure - it's tough to get a real impression of any bike in the weather conditions you've outlined.:freezing:

(fripperie? :wtf:)
 

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mmmm very interesting and opposite to what i thought, i have a tricked up 910R now and since seeing the Cannonball 1090RR from Alkatraxx thats all i can think of as his one looks soooo good, but before i decide to sell mine i will test ride a new 1090RR back to back to see what its like. Again not the review i was excpecting!!

also black and white 1078RR best colour to go for my far!!!

James
 

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Thanks James; I also think it looks the absolute business!

I was not surprised by the seating position as I'd ridden the 2010 F4 before; it's just how I'm built I guess.

I was surprised by the handling and the snatchy throttle response. And there really is no substitute for the raw sound and feel of the "old" engine, and the 989R engine is surprisingly smooth. I had to ask if it was standard, and it was.

I actually thought the cold and damp conditions were ideal to bring out the handling characteristics of the two bikes. In warm and dry conditions lots of bikes can feel good, but now any hesitation or peculiarity in the handling was amplified. That 989R sure could use a steering damper though!

The "new" Brutale has lazier geometry which means you probably have to go a lot faster to get it to behave as it should. There is a steering damper but it looks cheap and feels ineffectual. The "old" Brutale is more agile (more "nervous" as some testers called it in a comparison) which actually is a help in these conditions.

What testers say in their reports though really is a lot of b*ll*cks sometimes. If you read back on test reports of the 1078RR Brutale, and then the 1090RR, sometimes by the same testers, you just have to laugh. The new product is almost always better, and in comparison the old product then has to be trashed. Which is why I wanted to ride them myself back to back.

I just gave my honest opinion; anyone can have a different one. They're both great bikes.
 

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I wish I could understand what you're saying :blah:
But one thing's for sure - it's tough to get a real impression of any bike in the weather conditions you've outlined.:freezing:

(fripperie? :wtf:)
Yes , I would imagine the minimum requirement is to get the tyres warmed up ! :stickpoke
 

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It was cold, it was damp. 5 degrs C and greasy country roads.

First rode the 1090RR, bog standard. Was expecting and certainly hoping to be pleasantly surprised by the progress of the new model. Didn't feel very comfortable on it. Was that traction control on or off, I thought, fishtailing my way past an oncoming artic while shifting into 2nd. Same folded leg feeling as the new F4. Strong engine, slightly boring sound and feel. On/off throttle response; roundabouts decidedly tiptoe in these conditions. Not very agile, Sportsmarts ice cold of course.

Then an 989R, also bog standard. Immediately comfortable, smooth throttle response, great gear change, great sounding and feeling engine (yes!), agile, SC Pro's?, no front brake that I could notice, mirrors?

So that's a black and white 1078RR then, inox pipes + race ECU, neoprene and leather seat and a few more fripperies... :brutale:
You rode a B989 and bought a B1078rr? totally different engine characteristic between the two. Some say the 989 is the most balanced brutale available
 

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I can't speak for a new Brutale. I rode only a 910R over a weekend. But my feelings were anything else than comfortable. I think when You ride always bikes with Your head just above the top yoke than is every Brutale an awkward experience. At least until You get comfy with it.
 

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You rode a B989 and bought a B1078rr? totally different engine characteristic between the two. Some say the 989 is the most balanced brutale available
Could well be; I certainly was pleasantly surprised. I know and love the 1078 engine, with race ECU, so let's go!
 

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I can't speak for a new Brutale. I rode only a 910R over a weekend. But my feelings were anything else than comfortable. I think when You ride always bikes with Your head just above the top yoke than is every Brutale an awkward experience. At least until You get comfy with it.
Wasn't awkward for me; seating position, pegs, handlebar, suit my probably hunched posture... :jsm:
 

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Have always found it takes me several hundred miles to really find out if I really like a bike, it is true if you read a test of the 1078 and then the 1090 there many similar themes when compared to a previous model.
 

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I've had an F4 1078RR for two years (a 1000S and a 312R before that). I've ridden the 2010 F4. I recognize a lot. :f4: :brutale: :brutale: :brutale:
 
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