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I created a thread nearly a month ago looking for interested owners of the 3 cylinder bikes to express interest about a diagnostic tool for your MV created by ECU Studio. There was over 500 views , but only one other person , other than myself expressed interest/ emailed ECU Studio , telling them that they might be interested in some kind of soft ware to do their own diagnosis.


This thread is just an update to say that nothing will happen if more owners don't contact them .

I understand that there is a lot of gaps in understanding this , so if you are interested look at their website, see what is already available and go from there.


You are not making a commitment to buy anything- but the process has to start somewhere.
 

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Hey,

Great that we have a thread now with a "tempting" title
In an earlier reply I tried to wrap up a bit that what we are looking for
Is it worthwhile to copy that into your thread?
I also suggested to pull together interested owners here on this forum, which is a much lower
threshold for participation
People might be prepared to express there interest on this forum, but not necessarily want to contact ECU Studio
But, rest assured, I will contact them and also discuss maybe with them how we can make progress

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Thanks for replying Evert. I took your advice from the last thread and used it here.
( in the title) Yes, do what ever you like here - your outline last time was helpful. Who knows who might read it.
 

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I am sure I could aquire a practical working knowledge of ECUs if necessary, and given the no dealer situation here, it may well become necessary. At the moment though, not a clue.

I suggest that an email be drafted by someone with a sophisticated understanding of what we are looking for, and then all of those who wish to can send an email to ECU and perhaps other manufacturers? The more who email, the more likely we will get a result.

I can help write if that helps?

The (non MV) bike shop that I go to mentined a software package that they were considering buying. I gather that there are a few? The package they were going to get already had capacity to 'turn the lights on/off' on a MV/Ducati/BMW. None of these will allow access to service bulletin/factory upgrades though, as one needs access to the MV portal for that.

I gather from articles that I have read there are performance/dyno workshops that can crack the ECU and do all sorts of wonders. I believe it cost a moderate amount of money ($1000) for the first time (of a given bike, say a TVL), but thereafter, the $ was about 10% of the first time. Not sure on $, but there would be a tech head on this forum that would have done it to one of their bikes, even if it was not an MV, I imagine?

Some of the electronics issues may well be easily solved with MV upgrades, but no service agent/dealer means no portal. I was considering something similair to what is happening here, ie puting a call out on the forum to Tasmanian/Hobart MV owners, encouraging them to lobby a good local bike shop to take on MV, at least as a service agent, if not a dealer. Before I got a chance to raise the issue with the bike shop, to ascertain possible interest, they told me that they would not become a dealer, as they already had several brands and not much room. For now, the service agent issue is dormant, but I reckon I will re-visit it later.

The Canuck fella who was not happy with MV mentioned an Australian company that had taken over the North America region for MV, and were ignoring Canada? There are probably Aussies on this forum who know people at the company, or who know people who know someone. You blokes need dealers, or at least a service agent, which is probably more important. Log onto the ASussie MV site and have a whinge, contact decent local bike shops and see if they will be service agents. Solidarity.

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I suggest that an email be drafted by someone with a sophisticated understanding of what we are looking for, and then all of those who wish to can send an email to ECU and perhaps other manufacturers? The more who email, the more likely we will get a result.

I can help write if that helps?


I have quoted just a small part of your post because that is the most relevant.

1. I wrote an email to ECU early February.

Luca from ECU replies by saying here would be interested in creating a diagnostic tool for us. But gave no detail about what that would look like.

2. I create a thread on MVAGUSTA .net suggesting to MV owners to contact ECU expressing their interest.

3. Two days ago I send another email to ECU asking LUCA if there was any progress on developing this tool. His reply to me was that only two people expressed any interest and that isn't good enough to get started.


What I have been expressing here with these threads , at least to this point, is going no where. Over 500 views on the original thread and one person seemed to understand what was being asked.

So if you would like to reword/ start another thread or whatever , go for it . I just want someone to create a tool so I can do some work on my bike . So I'm open to anything.

Thanks

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Would it be possible to do the thread as a forum poll that people can select yes or no if interested. I am interested in a diagnostics tool of some sort.
 

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Two days ago I send another email to ECU asking LUCA if there was any progress on developing this tool. His reply to me was that only two people expressed any interest and that isn't good enough to get started.


What I have been expressing here with these threads , at least to this point, is going no where. Over 500 views on the original thread and one person seemed to understand what was being asked.
Herein lies the crux of the matter: You need a certain volume of people interested or it isn't worth doing. MV is not interested because there must be a proprietary tool that they are using that was supplied by the ECU manufacturer. The number of owners who actually want to get into their diagnosticas at home are a very small percentage of owners.

I am one of those owners who would like to have access to a diagnostic tool. I have the tool for my 5SM Magneti Marelli ECUs.

I'll send a inquiry.

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I must be missing some fine point here. The ECU Studio site already lists support for the MVA three cylinder bikes. Is the want here something different from their current offerings?
 

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I must be missing some fine point here. The ECU Studio site already lists support for the MVA three cylinder bikes. Is the want here something different from their current offerings?

ECU Studio does exist for TUNING the 3 Cylinder platform...that does not include a diagnostic platform for trouble codes and other parameters.
 
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So if you would like to reword/ start another thread or whatever , go for it . I just want someone to create a tool so I can do some work on my bike . So I'm open to anything.
Thanks

The point of a draft group email, written by someone who knows what they are talking about, is that it makes things easier for those of us who do not know what we are talking about. Moi, for example.


I got the distinct impression that there are existing tools, I will make enquiries.
 

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Thanks to this thread - I also sent an email to ECU Studio expressing interest in a diagnostic tool. The response from ECU was immediate. The existing MV diagnostic tool platform they already have will identify and clear error codes. How extensive, I can't say as I don't have the knowledge to ask the right questions. According to ECU the existing tool will read out all of the industry ODBII codes and enable you to erase them. I had asked about the sensors for the auto blip, traction control, ABS, wheel lift mitigation, lean angle and clutch. ECU specifically mentioned their tool would not be able to communicate with the ABS unit but I gathered the other sensors were a go.

The new product being considered is something not as full featured as the existing diagnostic product. I assume trimmed down version would come in at a lower price point than the existing tool. My understanding is that if there is enough interest developed, the plan would be to create a phone app that would identify fault codes and allow them to be cleared.

Good on you TVLKawasuki for taking the lead. I didn't know of the product or company. I know nothing about the operation of the ECU but may have to take a crash course out of necessity until MV expands the dealer network into the Washington DC area which doesn't look to be anytime soon
 

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ECU Studio does exist for TUNING the 3 Cylinder platform...that does not include a diagnostic platform for trouble codes and other parameters.
What am I missing here?
From the Tune ECU site...

Features
ECU Reflash
ECU error codes clearing
Realtime log
Live data displayed on maps


What do people want, a simple error code reader only without the ability to tune.
 

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Hello Baba Zanetti,

Yes, I think that what we are looking for is an affordable DIAGNOSTIC Tool
NOT a tool for tuning and re-mapping
 

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[email protected],

I had a look at the 2 running threads regards a Diagnostic Tool
I have aggregated the positive responses, that is, the number of members that are interested in purchasing
a Diagnostic Tool
We have 9 (nine!) members
Although they have no product description yet, and no price point
Not bad I would say
As the product description and the price point become more clear we should see that number increase

By the way, important for members of this Forum, is to realize that they could get even better support when making
their data available to those that can help out

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ECU Studio does exist for TUNING the 3 Cylinder platform...that does not include a diagnostic platform for trouble codes and other parameters.
This is not true. On the flash page, you have the ability to read the ODB codes and erase the OBD codes, I use this when debugging issues on my F4. It's not a full diagnostics platform, and we would not get that unless you fancy spending thousands.

If we want to read ODB codes, erase them and log data from the ECU so we can look at sensor outputs etc then this what is currently available in ECUStudio. However there seems to be a desire for a cut down version which only reads and erases the ODB and datalogs from the ECU but cannot reprogram / reflash or otherwise change any features for maps in the ECU.
 

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I am probably closer to wanting a full setup that does it all. I'd like to be able to diagnose and fix the errors that occur. I would like to have the ability to tune, but i would probably leave that actual process to my dyno guy.
 

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I have found out the following. You may be able to interpret this better than I, and please note, my comprehension pool on this is quite shallow, and I may have taken less than sophisticated notes.

A diagnostic software program from a company called Texa is the MV factory supported diagnostics software tool, at least here in Australia. A link to the Texa site is below. I think the particular program is called Navigator. This is the after market software program I refered to in an earlier post.

https://www.texa.com/solutions/bike

It was suggested to me that the Texa bizzo costs about AUD $3500-4000 to purchase, & there is a subscription fee of about AUD $400 per year, and the cost of cables to be purchased for each individual bike that you wish to use it on. I am not sure if the cable for a TVL will also do other 3 cyl bikes, but I reckon it would, but cables will obviously differ for various brand ECUs, eg Magnet Marelli, or Joseph Lucas (prince of darkness), if you see what I mean. If one was interested, the Texa does a range of bikes, Italian, Japanese & German. This software DOES NOT allow access to the MV portal. One needs a dealer or service agent for that.

ECU Studio is primarily tuning with some diagnostics, and again, if my notes are any good, costs about Euro 1500 plus a Euro 400 license for each individual bike, which allows access to the software. There may be some other small expenses related to it? How much extra , or less it would cost if they developed a stand alone diagnostics tool is anyone's guess?


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ECU Studio is primarily tuning with some diagnostics, and again, if my notes are any good, costs about Euro 1500 plus a Euro 400 license for each individual bike, which allows access to the software. There may be some other small expenses related to it? How much extra , or less it would cost if they developed a stand alone diagnostics tool is anyone's guess?
ECU Studio is 475€ including the licence for one ECU, not 1900€.

The costs will be if they need to develop a new interface for this system and the software development.
 
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