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I have a B3 675, very much in love with her.

After my first track day I've learned what they are capable of, and also started to realise the limitations of a naked riding on a track.

I am seriously considering to buy another sportbike so that I can keep my B3 for street riding.

I know asking this question on this forum is going to get bias responses. Therefore I am hoping someone who has a Panagale and a F3 can share their experiences for owning both bikes.

Also since my B3 is the naked version of the F3 (despite different mapping and tuning), am thinking whether Panagale will give me more fun factors and different experience.
 

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G'day Flexi, my brother in law went for the 959 pani after considering the 800 F3, and he loves it. I have only ridden his a couple of times and it is definitely a lot of fun to ride, and most certainly has a more sophisticated electronics package than the F3. However after riding it for about 20 minutes on a warm day, I couldn't wait to get off it, as it was cooking my inner thigh.
If you are only doing track days on it, in full leathers, this may not be an issue for you. A lot of street riding, particularly in a warm climate may be though. Andre has added a rapidbike tuning module to his since I rode it, and says it does run noticably cooler now, so that's something to consider also.
I would try to get as long of a test ride as you can on both bikes before making a decision if I were in your position.
Good luck!!
 

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If your intentions are for trackday fun I would say you will find an easier time on a F3 800... The 800 is same bike (f3 675) barring HP and lower Rpm than the smaller cc bike, but with that I rather have the 130rwhp and torque over the peakier less of both out of the box. I have a 1199S Panigale, and given it is a slightly different beast than the panigales you mention (ok 40rwhp more), but comfort wise I take the F3, if I want a faster lap time I will take the F3.
I do think the reliability will be better on the Ducati and dealer support is also better. Both are fun and good looking bikes, never thought I would say this... but might be cheaper to run the Panigale on track if you have any OOOOPS and need some used parts.

Still find the Panigale 1199 to be one of the best looking bikes ever built.
 

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My current ride is a 899 Panigale. Before i owned a F3 675.

I have done some good [street] millage on both bikes. The first time i jumped on the 899 it felt like a much bigger bike as the F3, in fact the Duc is a bit longer and you definitely feel that. The seating position on the 899 is slightly more forward, you lean more on your wrists.Because of the F3's shorter wheelbase it's a more nervous bike compared to the 899. The F3 wheelie easy, and is also very corner happy.

F3 675:
+ Styling
+ Seating position
+ Intake sound
+ Brakes
+ Bike feels very alive
- Critical reliability issue's reported

899:
+ Mature Bike
+ Engine is very refined
+ Traction control
+ This bike is very loud by default.
+ Smooth gearbox
+Steering damper
- Front brake
- Slow Quickshifter
- Heavy Clutch operation




 
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G'day Flexi, my brother in law went for the 959 pani after considering the 800 F3, and he loves it. I have only ridden his a couple of times and it is definitely a lot of fun to ride, and most certainly has a more sophisticated electronics package than the F3. However after riding it for about 20 minutes on a warm day, I couldn't wait to get off it, as it was cooking my inner thigh.
If you are only doing track days on it, in full leathers, this may not be an issue for you. A lot of street riding, particularly in a warm climate may be though. Andre has added a rapidbike tuning module to his since I rode it, and says it does run noticably cooler now, so that's something to consider also.
I would try to get as long of a test ride as you can on both bikes before making a decision if I were in your position.
Good luck!!
Definitely will test both bikes. I tested the F3 800 last year. However it will be better to test them in quick succession. I think the bike will be ridden mostly on the street, with occassional trackdays like 2-3 times a year.

The heating can be a concern for me because when I go for a ride, I ride up to 200km (at least 5 hours).

Problem is MV run test days and I can test in windy roads which I am very familiar with, however I might not have the same opportunity with the Pani... I will see.



If your intentions are for trackday fun I would say you will find an easier time on a F3 800... The 800 is same bike (f3 675) barring HP and lower Rpm than the smaller cc bike, but with that I rather have the 130rwhp and torque over the peakier less of both out of the box. I have a 1199S Panigale, and given it is a slightly different beast than the panigales you mention (ok 40rwhp more), but comfort wise I take the F3, if I want a faster lap time I will take the F3.
I do think the reliability will be better on the Ducati and dealer support is also better. Both are fun and good looking bikes, never thought I would say this... but might be cheaper to run the Panigale on track if you have any OOOOPS and need some used parts.

Still find the Panigale 1199 to be one of the best looking bikes ever built.
Definitely considering the F3 800 over the 675. I am lucky I live in Sydney, and the dealer support is very good. The guys running the dealership are top guys, professional, good service and they know their stuff. And my B3 675 only had some minor issues, and were all fixed under warranty. I had a look at the 2nd hand market and there are not too many pre-owned F3, so I might have to buy brand new. On the contrary, there are around 28 pre-owned Pani 899/959 to choose from.

My current ride is a 899 Panigale. Before i owned a F3 675.

I have done some good [street] millage on both bikes. The first time i jumped on the 899 it felt like a much bigger bike as the F3, in fact the Duc is a bit longer and you definitely feel that. The seating position on the 899 is slightly more forward, you lean more on your wrists.Because of the F3's shorter wheelbase it's a more nervous bike compared to the 899. The F3 wheelie easy, and is also very corner happy.

F3 675:
+ Styling
+ Seating position
+ Intake sound
+ Brakes
+ Bike feels very alive
- Critical reliability issue's reported

899:
+ Mature Bike
+ Engine is very refined
+ Traction control
+ This bike is very loud by default.
+ Smooth gearbox
+Steering damper
- Front brake
- Slow Quickshifter
- Heavy Clutch operation
I am 5 foot 7, medium built. I sat on both bikes and both feels good to me. Questions for you
1. How do you find the seating position on the Pani and F3?
2. Do you need to change the rearset so that you can grip the tank?
3. Do you also find the Pani more street friendly and easier to maintain?
4. what modification did you have on your both bikes?
5. Does it cook your inner thighs? and how do you deal with it?
 

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The February 2018 issue of Fast Bikes magazine has a comparison of the 2018 Euro 4 versions of Ducati 959 vs. MV F3-800. They rated the Duc 9/10 and the MV 9.5/10. The MV won on braking, agility, and fun. The Duc won on stability. They tied on performance.
 

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The February 2018 issue of Fast Bikes magazine has a comparison of the 2018 Euro 4 versions of Ducati 959 vs. MV F3-800. They rated the Duc 9/10 and the MV 9.5/10. The MV won on braking, agility, and fun. The Duc won on stability. They tied on performance.
is the MV F3 Euro 4 version as well?
 

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is the MV F3 Euro 4 version as well?
Yes. They comment that the MVICS system in the 2018 Euro4 F3-800 is upgraded and has better throttle feel, but that the Euro4 noise requirements (MV had to reduce the F3's noise by 48%) seemed to have resulted in a very slight mid-range power loss. But they also comment that the quick shifter and blipper are noticeably better: "beautifully crisp and precise, yet ludicrously light action ... It's stunning".

I get my Fast Bikes digital subscription from Zinio. You can probably buy the one issue online for about $5.00 - https://www.zinio.com/
 
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No doubt about in my opinion you should get the F3 and if I was in your shoes probably trading the B3 for F3 RC. The Panigale is a nice bike but needs an extra effort to make everything right. On the other hand the F3 is the perfect track weapon and also looks fantastic:wink2:
 

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The Panigale is a nice bike but needs an extra effort to make everything right.
.......Please explain what needs to be done to make the Panigale "right"?
 
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I am 5 foot 7, medium built. I sat on both bikes and both feels good to me.
I'm 6 foot 2, no troubles on both bikes

Questions for you

1. How do you find the seating position on the Pani and F3?
I prefer the F3 seating position. But easy adapt to the Panigale.
2. Do you need to change the rearset so that you can grip the tank?
I haven't changed rearsets on both bikes, and not planning to do so. It's fine for me.

3. Do you also find the Pani more street friendly and easier to maintain?
Yes, in some ways it is more friendly due it's refined engine caracteristics.

4. what modification did you have on your both bikes?
On the F3 i installed the ECU Studio quickshifter kit with auto-blipper & Race map http://www.ecustudio.com/bikes/MV/F3.html. I also upgraded the MV Corse Licence plate holder.
On the Panigale no updates yet, but a tuneboy setup with quickshifter, autoblipper & cruisecontrole is planned for next riding season starts ducati_Mitsubishi | Tuneboy

5. Does it cook your inner thighs? and how do you deal with it?
Despite my always cooking internals ;).....I always use proper clothing when riding my bike, no problem for me. But i can imagine complaints if you drive around in your Nike shorts......

@flexi, you did not mention if you opt for a new bike or a second hand. That would be a important factor to me. If your choice would be a second hand F3 there is always the critical "head failure" lurking, and that makes the 899 the better choice [for me]. I simply don't like the idea the engine can explode at any given time when commuting far from home. The F3 might have a little more character, but the 899 is just about perfect right out of the box. It's best to have both :)
 

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.......Please explain what needs to be done to make the Panigale "right"?
Since we're talking about track we can start with the suspension settings on the Ohlins. Personaly never found the "right" setting but I'm no professional rider or mechanic. Out of the box in my opinion the Panigale needs some adjustments for the track but again for some reason the Ducati SBK team had some work to be done and never seemed to get it perfect. In my opinion some pilots were simply great with decent results. In comparison I felt that even the standard RSV4 handled better on the track and was more fun and agile.
 

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Ok understood, As far as my knowledge goes the 899 doesn't come with Ohlins. Sachs on the back and Showa in the front. Succeeding the suspension settings is much a matter of rider weight and personal preferences riding style & track surface. I wouldn't blame any bike for that....it works for you or not .....imo riding a street bike on a track is about compromises anyways.
 

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I've ridden both and find the Panigale power delivery is not the way I like. I enjoy the blend of power that a 3 cylinder gives. The Panigale is long so it feels very stable at higher speeds. So really you are correct to say they give very different experiences.

The newest panigale v4 however may be the way to go if you can wait for it and have the budget.

If you are going to want something now I would say sell the B3 and get F3 800. No idea what the newest F4 will be but I'm hoping for a reverse crank v4 like the panigale v4.
 

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Am I correct in understanding you guys are saying the F3 is noticeably smaller than the Panigale's and has a noticeably lower seat height?
I'm 5'2" and really struggle with the taller bikes and after a 5 year non-riding period am now considering the V4 Ducati but I find myself really liking the 800 which sells locally for $19k (Italian colors, think it's called RC800?)

If i buy the V4 I know i'll have to get a lowering link but wondering if I can get by with the RC800 w/o lowering link (do they even make one?).......what do you guys think?
 

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F3 does have lowering link available . Previous owner was short and the link was in place but removed before I bought it. Triple clamps were also lowered on the forks. I raised it back up. I would think that any bike you get will require lowering. Additionally the reach to the clip ons and footpegs may need customization. Everyone's body is different and having the bike and gear to suit you is essential to safe and fun riding.

Am I correct in understanding you guys are saying the F3 is noticeably smaller than the Panigale's and has a noticeably lower seat height?
I'm 5'2" and really struggle with the taller bikes and after a 5 year non-riding period am now considering the V4 Ducati but I find myself really liking the 800 which sells locally for $19k (Italian colors, think it's called RC800?)

If i buy the V4 I know i'll have to get a lowering link but wondering if I can get by with the RC800 w/o lowering link (do they even make one?).......what do you guys think?
 

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Considering that the F3 675 is dimensionally the same as F3 800.... yes! I think that if you are actually hitting the twisties the F3 will fit you well. The problem comes when you are at a stop or driving casually. These are not things an F3 is meant for but becomes a real challenge if you can't plant your feet down solidly or reach the pegs and bars in a neutral position.

I'm a firm believer in finding a bike that fits the body. Average sized person (5'10") typically fits a mid size bike nicely. A taller person(6'0"and up) fits on liter bikes. Its not just the dimensions.... its the springs and suspension settings as well. I'm 5'8" and most mid sized bikes require no modification for me. Most liter bikes feel a little bit like I'm riding on the back of a turtle.

The worse is me trying to sit on a BMW adventure bike. I'd be on the ground in no time especially if off road.

Thank you for taking the time to reply.
Do you feel the F3 is sized around the same as a typical 600 or smaller?

Thanks again~
 

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I don't own an F3 (yet) but when I sat on one I didn't have any problems getting one foot on the ground, and I am 5'4". Previously I had a Blade, which ironically was better than the cbr600rr because the 600's seat was wider, pushing my legs out. The R6 is a very tall bike - no way I would be comfortable maneuvering that. One short person trick is to look for riding boots with a bit of heel. I have a pair of Alpinestars that are perfect. Once your are moving of course it is all about the position on the bike - reach to the bars etc. The F3 I would say is more akin to a 250 or 400 than most 600s. Both it and the GSXR carry their weight low which helps with low speed handling and if the bike starts to tip over. The 899 (and 848 snd 748) felt like it had a lot more weight up top - probably due to the engine config. The F3 is a light bike anyway.
 

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I’ve owned a 899 and the f3 feels smaller, seat height alone doesn’t tell the story as the f3 is so skinny at the front of the seat and the frame area that I was comfortably bent legs where as the 899 not so much, especially if u have a comfort seat on there.

Also the handlebar reach is closer on the 800, the tank feels shorter with the bars lower and tucked in, they are quite wide and flat on the 899.


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