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This message is for those of you who are attending the track day associated with Bub II.
Yesterday I attended an STT trackday at this "motorcycle only" venue.
Here are my observations :

- Talladega GP is a 1.4 mile, rather narrow track
- The track can be run clock wise or counter clock wise
- aside from the big "U" turn at the center of the track, all turns are in the same direction, thus putting a lot of wear on one side of your tires
- the surface of this track is rather coarse and offers good grip. As a result, it will also eat tires.
- there are no elevation changes
- top speeds are 130 mph max
- I consider it to be a rather technical track. There's hardly any straights and you're constantly leaned over.
- especially the "U" turn was a bitch when I was first learning the track. To make things worse, it has a wide strip of asphalt repair on it's exit, which initially caused me to 'target forcus'. Rather annoying under learning conditions.
- funny anecdote : we had a red flag condition in order to remove a copperhead from the track. You meet the nicest creatures at track days, haha !

Implications for the particpants to our event:

- first of all : STT organized the event with 3 classes of 30 people per group. At no time did I ever feel like my group was too crowded.
- in view of it's technical nature, the track will wear you out. Since we only have 20 people enlisted for an all day event, they will get very tired. I honestly think we could open it up to more people.
- if our participants spend 50% of the time on the track, they might need an extra set of tires handy since one side of their tires might wear out by noon
- alternatively, we could consider to ride the track in the opposite direction in the afternoon.
- as mentioned, the big U turn is a bitch, even on my Ducati. Would have been problematic on my MV with it's flat spot in the 4 to 5K range. We'll have to be careful for highsides coming out of this one.
- bring a snake tourniquet and some anti-serum

Overall, very good venue.

Racer Ed Bargy says that if you can master Talladega GP, you can ride any track in the SE.

Hope this helps ! :f4:
 

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I think this was covered somewhere and was told we could NOT run it backwards. But I dont know this for sure. The track is very fun and narrow.. I think if you can ride the Track in Alaska you can ride any track. Google Tanacross and you will see hahaha it has cracks, gravel, frost heaves, and grass!
 

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thanks for the update. I hope whoever lends me a bike reads it to prep the tires accordingly. :)


I should start jogging.....
 

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I think if you can ride the Track in Alaska you can ride any track. Google Tanacross and you will see hahaha it has cracks, gravel, frost heaves, and grass!
But no Copperheads :smoking:
 

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Yankee and Continental Buds have no idea what a 'copperhead' is......
 

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If I remember correctly, we have chosen the 20 riders on the track at one time format because it was less expensive. I don't think that means only 20 participants. For example, I know I won't be riding every session, and I'm happy to loan my track bike out for a few sessions so those arriving from points far away can ride an MV on the track.

When Elton gets back from the World super bike races and his track day and mountain ride in Utah, maybe he can clarify.
 

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Yves, only you can correct the spelling...........it's Bubbalicious. :stickpoke
 

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I'm still in Utah, at the track, working on my phone, so I'll be brief:

The 20 person limit was chosen because it was cost effective. The next level, (60 people, with 20 max on the track, at any given time, I think, or something close to that, I don't remember exactly, I'd have to check), is considerably more money in track fees, requires two, (instead of one), ambulances, more insurance, and more corner workers. Frankly, it seemed like more than we needed, but I could reach out to them and see if they could offer some sort of custom package for us, (30 people?). TGPR is a family run business, and I wouldn't be surprised if they'd work with us.

A word of caution though: As numbers increase, costs escalate rapidly. 20 people is the maximum allowed with one ambulance crew. An additional ambulance is expensive, and also requires additional insurance, which is also expensive. And if we go to the next level, we'll be required to hire corner workers, which is also expensive. (Right now, we're providing our own corner workers.) Things add up quickly.

The package we have allows for 20 participants with no more than 7 on the track at any given time. The kind people at TGPR probably aren't going to police us so closely that we couldn't get away with a couple of extras, (so long as we adhere to the 7 person track limit), but I'm sure there's a limit to their kindness. If we show up with 40, or even 30, I foresee problems.

When I asked about running the track in either direction, I was told this was not allowed, but I'll ask again.

I remain open to suggestions, commentary, criticism, and ideas. If people want to move up to the next level, we can do that.

Elton
 

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Well the people on the wait list could be figured in and split the cost accordingly for the 20 riders. And then we just make sure to split ride times. If we know we have the track for 8hrs then we should be able to do the math of 15 to 20 min runs. everyone gets 5 runs or whatever the time allows. Because as of now people that have not paid for track time but are going to borrow a bike to throw around will put us over 20 anyways. So theoretically we will have more than 20 with people borrowing bikes if that makes sense? Also as far as tires go who will have a change machine or is REALLY good at doing it the old fashion way? i used to have a bead breaker but think i chunked it on my many moves.
 

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I believe it has more to do with insurance, rather then who is on the track at any given time. In other words, how many people signed the release/waiver as a rider when we register at the track.

I am afraid the track owners will be pretty tight on allowing people other than the 20 covered by the contract getting out on the track.

I doubt we can get to the needed numbers to warrant a full blown "non-club" track day costs where we can have 60 people riding. But I'll let Elton figure that out.

I believe the track has a tire service guy with machines. He charges a minimal amount to change tires on wheels off the bike if he is available. Don't know if he has tires to sell.
 

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Well the people on the wait list could be figured in and split the cost accordingly for the 20 riders. And then we just make sure to split ride times. If we know we have the track for 8hrs then we should be able to do the math of 15 to 20 min runs. everyone gets 5 runs or whatever the time allows. Because as of now people that have not paid for track time but are going to borrow a bike to throw around will put us over 20 anyways. So theoretically we will have more than 20 with people borrowing bikes if that makes sense?
I'm not sure it will be that simple. If TGPR management uses wrist bands to keep track of participants, we won't be able to just have extra people sharing the 20 spots. My sense is that they're not gonna be that strict, and I suspect we'll be fine with a few extras, but 10 or 20 extras probably won't fly.
 

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I believe it has more to do with insurance, rather then who is on the track at any given time. In other words, how many people signed the release/waiver as a rider when we register at the track. I am afraid the track owners will be pretty tight on allowing people other than the 20 covered by the contract getting out on the track.
Yeah, Ed's right on the money. Everybody has to sign waivers, and they'll know if we try and submit more than 20.

Katrina seems reasonable and flexible. As we get closer and I have more exact numbers, I'll ask her about a few extra slots.
 

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Can you also find out about the tires? No sense in me bringing an extra set if I can't get them on the bike. That being said what are the hours for the track again?
 

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anymore ever come about on the track and tires or changers? looking at ordering tires why deals seem to be good.
 

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Sorry... I have no concept of time over here. Seen some deals on tires and wasnt sure about ordering until you knew about tires being sold or even changed at the track. By all means your right we have time and I can hold off for a few months still.
 
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