MV Agusta Forum banner

1 - 17 of 17 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
542 Posts
They are not Sato but look a likes. They don't look half bad IMHO for 199 vs. 599 for Sato. If you get them, let me know as I am in the market to get a set but just been waiting for the right time.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
21,422 Posts
So, you want to buy Taiwanese Sato Knock-offs....and later wonder why Sato Gear is so expensive. You get what you pay for. I see this as akin to pirating music.

From the sellers website:

ABOUT US
We Thai-racing Co, Ltd are CNC FACTORY which is specialized in motorcycle CNC Aluminum parts, involved in various famous brands like: HONDA, YAMAHA, SUZUKI, KAWASAKI, DUCATI, APRILIA, BMW, KTM etc.

We’ve gotten brake discs rotors and levers for any model on the market from 1988 onward. And we also offer CNC mirrors, rims, gas cap, rear sets, footpegs, clip on and other motorcycle aluminum parts.

And more, Our own team can design and make new designs based on your original samples, new entrant are also welcome. We also accept wholesale orders and could custom motorcycle parts for you.

This simply means they are blatantly copying other peoples hard work.

I don't like it.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
107 Posts
Discussion Starter #4
So, you want to buy Taiwanese Sato Knock-offs....and later wonder why Sato Gear is so expensive. You get what you pay for. I see this as akin to pirating music.


This simply means they are blatantly copying other peoples hard work.

I don't like it.
Whoa, here. I merely asked. Maybe someone here has dealt with this seller before, maybe not. While you are probably correct, in that these rearsets are copies, there is also the possibility they are the actual manufacturer. What does an I-phone cost Apple? Also made in China. Then they place their huge markups on it and sell them here. What if the I-phone factory sold a few units directly on ebay?? Bad for Apple. Sure. But the same product at a better price, good for me.

If I want to design/sell a product, I might source it to a shop overseas. For me, quality is more of a priority than price, I don't agree with outsourcing overseas however until our economy becomes more competitive with the rest of the world, these things will happen. I can't support making it illegal for a US company to outsource.

If these indeed are the same units Sato is selling, I might be interested.

However, like I said, I merely asked. I am not convinced I want to go with that design, anyway.

Thanks!
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
21,422 Posts
If they are Sato rearsets, they have to be identified that way or trademark law gets you.

Outsourcing is far different from taking someone else's design work, copying it, and then selling it as something else.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
335 Posts
If you ordered a set, we can compare notes when my Sato set comes in. Should be in after the holidays. Lmk. By the way, y'all probably noticed but the images on the eBay link are the same ones from Sato's site.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
988 Posts
Indeed, I have a pair on my bike right now.

I also have real Sato's in a box :naughty: That I used on my bike for a few Track Days, before I thought I better keep them for special occasions only :naughty:

Can't compare quality :cross: No way, no how.

What made me laugh, was that the instructions for the cheapies are the Sato ones photo copied. Exactly the same, with the Sato logo in the corner. But they assemble differently :wtf:

Now, I liken it to holding a genuine ROLEX Submariner in the left hand, while holding a genuine ROLEX Chinese fake in the other.

The real Sato's have superb milling and finish. The fake, well you know.........

The alloy is softer on the fakes. I have bent the gear lever over to touch the gear connecting rod, while on the track kicking the gears around! No worries for the Sato's.
I have quickly worn down the knurling on the foot peg of the fakes. Not so on the Sato's. The foot pegs of the fakes also fasten to the Position Adjustment Plate differently to the Sato's.

The bolt threads on the Sato are closely toleranced, nice and tight, like you can feel as though you can torque them up without stripping them. Not so the Fakes. Interestingly, I think most rear set manufacturers recommend to use Loctite. Fair enough I say, but with the fakes, I really doubted there reliability, like the bolts would undo, after lap after lap, so the Loctite was really good insurance for my piece of mind.

The bearings are of higher quality in the Sato's than the Chinese ones. Less notchy.

While they look the same, there are subtle differences, so they are not an exact copy. Plastic Toe Pegs also fasten differently between the two. Amoungst other slight changes.

I think if your bike has top quality parts, these fakes will look out of place. I would advise Randrew against letting these within a cooee of his bike. Well, laymen will not know they are cheap knock offs. But you will :)

So, I say, if you track your bike, and need good looking sacrificial rearsets, then these could be for you. Cheap to replace when you rip them off :jsm:

If you like to buy jewellry for your bike, stick to the Sato's :smoking:

Thats all I can remember off the top of my head, I would have to get them out and re-check :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
107 Posts
Discussion Starter #9
The real Sato's have superb milling and finish. The fake, well you know.........

The alloy is softer on the fakes. I have bent the gear lever over to touch the gear connecting rod, while on the track kicking the gears around! No worries for the Sato's.
I have quickly worn down the knurling on the foot peg of the fakes.
The bearings are of higher quality in the Sato's than the Chinese ones. Less notchy.

While they look the same, there are subtle differences, so they are not an exact copy. Plastic Toe Pegs also fasten differently between the two. Amoungst other slight changes.

/>
Thanks for the info. This is what I was looking for. Probably not a good choice for me to buy. Greg
 

·
Administrator
Joined
·
18,834 Posts
I just got a set that looks similar from Bohemian Racing in California. About the same price. Putting them on my SPR track bike.

I've only trial fitted the left side so far, so can't give much feedback other than they appear to be decent quality (haven't even tightened up the fasteners). They look like a good choice for a track bike. I got them in silver.
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
1,512 Posts
I guess the real question is what's worth more to you. The money or having a quality product. Take a look at the bolts and other hardware that those have on them. Looks pretty low end. I don' think I could live with cheap chinese knockoff parts bolted to my MV regardless of the cost savings. Even for track use.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,090 Posts
I guess the real question is what's worth more to you. The money or having a quality product. Take a look at the bolts and other hardware that those have on them. Looks pretty low end. I don' think I could live with cheap chinese knockoff parts bolted to my MV regardless of the cost savings. Even for track use.
Not to digress from this thread, but there are many parts currently on your bike (and other MV models), that are made in China...:jsm: and that are causing issues that shouldn't happen...:bash:

A friend of mine had the Chinese knock-off rearsets - on another bike - and he almost lost his foot / leg (literally) when the peg sheared away in a track corner ! :jsm:

Is it worth saving money buying a 'replica' knowing full well that you could potentially cause serious damage to yourself in the process ? :nutkick:
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
1,512 Posts
Not to digress from this thread, but there are many parts currently on your bike (and other MV models), that are made in China...:jsm: and that are causing issues that shouldn't happen...:bash:

A friend of mine had the Chinese knock-off rearsets - on another bike - and he almost lost his foot / leg (literally) when the peg sheared away in a track corner ! :jsm:

Is it worth saving money buying a 'replica' knowing full well that you could potentially cause serious damage to yourself in the process ? :nutkick:
Absolutely. It's difficult to escape chinese manufacturing. However that being said having a OEM control the quality of those chinese parts is always a better situation. The OEM can reject huge lots of parts unlike a consumer that's stuck with a bad quality item. The chinese also have an incentive to make sure the goods are quality because they will loose their contract otherwise.

One of the places where the chinese do a lot of cost cutting is metal quality. They always will use the absolutely lowest quality possible of metal to save as much cost as possible. The one thing that bothered me about those ebay rear sets was the quality of some of the bolts and fasteners that were used. The ones that show on the front are very nice looking but the ones on the back and that don't directly show are very low end looking. They look like the kind of bolts that strip and round if you look at them wrong. And the sad part is one of those cheap looking bolts is holding the foot peg to the rear set.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
335 Posts
MV certainly did some cost cutting in choosing the metal for their bolts and fasteners. I am pretty pissed off right now with these crap bolts. New Allen wrench set and I have a stripped frame bolt. Could be out partying and instead i'm stressed out in the garage over a bolt. My fasteners were so corroded I didn't even keep any as spares.
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
1,512 Posts
MV certainly did some cost cutting in choosing the metal for their bolts and fasteners. I am pretty pissed off right now with these crap bolts. New Allen wrench set and I have a stripped frame bolt. Could be out partying and instead i'm stressed out in the garage over a bolt. My fasteners were so corroded I didn't even keep any as spares.
I feel your pain. In the trunk of my Mercedes are some upper control arms that were going to be replaced until one of the hex bolts rounded out. Even zee Germans can use some cheap fasteners. I'm going to let a profesional deal with it so I'm not around with the swearing, drilling and cutting. :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
107 Posts
Discussion Starter #16
MV certainly did some cost cutting in choosing the metal for their bolts and fasteners. I am pretty pissed off right now with these crap bolts.
Sorry to hear that, btw I am curious as to what model year bike (s) you have. My lower front brake banjo bolts have a thin film of corrosion even though the bike had 2200 miles on it when I got it. Going to replace the lines, maybe polish them out. For an area which gets hit with water/road and brake dust I would think a better plating would be in order. Oh well. :wtf:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
335 Posts
05. My banjo bolts are also corroded. I used to use a spray anti-corrosive product on all my electronic eqpt when I lived in Brazil. My window was about 100 feet from the beach and my new tv remote stopped working about 3 months in. Sprayed it on all my circuit boards and never had an issue again.
 
1 - 17 of 17 Posts
Top