Apology time

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Donsy

Discussion Starter · Feb 11, 2014 (Edited)

So sitting the B3, Dragster and Rivale next to each other, I realised I was way off base saying the Dragster was a cross of the Rivale and B3.

I was wrong, sorry, it's just a chopped B3 with a F4 back rim and a different (nice) front mudguard with some trick looking handlebars and a nice exhaust covering bellypan.
No wonder they could get it into production so quick, I would have loved it if they lost the triple pipes and put on a shorty instead, and lost the stupid pillion pegs.

This makes me very appy, as I want a Rivale, but will probable end up with a TVL if Liesl had her way :thewife:.

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Ackers

· #2 · Feb 11, 2014

I'm going to get that bellypan for my Brutale

J_Spec

· #3 · Feb 12, 2014

Tisk tisk, jumping the gun like that. I still love the Dragqueen. And still not a fan of the Rivale.

Ackers

· #4 · Feb 12, 2014

Don't beat yourself up over it Donsy, :laughing: the rear lights have definitely taken their idea from the Rivale even if they haven't been directly ripped off it?
I still think they missed a trick with the Dragster and Rivale when they didn't somehow incorporate the indicators into the seat unit rather than having them attached to that mudguard, I know they are a necessary evil when designing a bike but I think they could have done better than that?

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wnehme

· #5 · Feb 12, 2014

Donsy said:
So sitting the B3, Dragster and Rivale next to each other, I realised I was way off base saying the Dragster was a cross of the Rivale and B3.

I was wrong, sorry, it's just a chopped B3 with a F4 back rim and a different (nice) front mudguard with some trick looking handlebars and a nice exhaust covering bellypan.
No wonder they could get it into production so quick, I would have loved it if they lost the triple pipes and put on a shorty instead, and lost the stupid pillion pegs.

This makes me very appy, as I want a Rivale, but will probable end up with a TVL if Liesl had her way :thewife:.

Why would you bother apologising donsy. The people who should be apologising is MV making sooooooo freskin many brutale based models.

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mickyyork

· #6 · Feb 14, 2014

Yeah should have done a 'retro' , thats where the money is (apparently) yak !

Reckler

· #7 · Feb 14, 2014

I was told the swing arm is longer, hard to tell since it "looks" longer, but it's apparently identical to the B3s wheelbase. Unless they shorted the rake and extended the swingarm, which seems highly unlikely. I hadn't even considered the pillion pegs till Donsy mentioned it, seeing as that seat is rider only unless your pillion is a masochist.

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MV-Moose

· #8 · Feb 14, 2014

Its going to take a lot of sales away from the B3, I reckon. Much nicer looking, and who would buy a B3 for pillion duties?

Ackers

· #9 · Feb 15, 2014

MV-Moose said:
Its going to take a lot of sales away from the B3, I reckon. Much nicer looking, and who would buy a B3 for pillion duties?

Possibly but is it £1300 better? I'll have to wait to ride it before I can make a judgement on that?

xs2

· #10 · Feb 15, 2014

belly pan wont fit on B3, it is bolted to a bung on exhaust

J_Spec

· #11 · Feb 15, 2014

xs2 said:
belly pan wont fit on B3, it is bolted to a bung on exhaust

Time to get a welder. :smoking:

MVista

· #12 · Feb 15, 2014

mickyyork said:
Yeah should have done a 'retro' , thats where the money is (apparently) yak !

Yes a modern retro classic would be awesome. However, the MV factory is small and while they have bikes using the same basic platform they can easily change the set up to accommodate different models without retooling or anything.

That's why they have so many new bikes sharing the same basic platforms in engines & chassis.

Clever way to compete with the mega Japanese factories.

For what it is worth - if they produced a retro bike, I'd buy it sight unseen, like I did with the F3

Ackers

· #13 · Feb 15, 2014

xs2 said:
belly pan wont fit on B3, it is bolted to a bung on exhaust

Easily worked around with a jubilee clip and a nut and bolt

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Lacsap

· #14 · Feb 22, 2014

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I'm feeling a bit ill so i have so time to read the reviews of the new Dragster. I was a bit baffled to read that the Dragster is a more agressive bike to ride.

So i overlayed the two bikes, greenish is the difference.

Brutale on top off Dragster.

Dragster on top off Brutale.

I can't help to think it's just a bunch of mumbo jumbo. The only real difference is the rear tyre. Since it's bigger it should steer less agressive. And the Brutale looks a little bit heavier on the rear making it wheely easier.

Or maybe i'm just a wanker. :jerkoff:

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jimboF4

· #15 · Feb 22, 2014

It is the same bike

Lacsap said:
I'm feeling a bit ill so i have so time to read the reviews of the new Dragster. I was a bit baffled to read that the Dragster is a more agressive bike to ride.

So i overlayed the two bikes, greenish is the difference.

Brutale on top off Dragster.

Dragster on top off Brutale.

I can't help to think it's just a bunch of mumbo jumbo. The only real difference is the rear tyre. Since it's bigger it should steer less agressive. And the Brutale looks a little bit heavier on the rear making it wheely easier.

Or maybe i'm just a wanker. :jerkoff:

When described as more aggressive I believe that is peoples opinion of the styling rather than the dynamics of the bike. Tor Sagans review of the bike includes an interview with Giovanni who confirms it is a styling exercise, not a more aggressive bike.

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Lacsap

· #16 · Feb 22, 2014

jimboF4 said:
When described as more aggressive I believe that is peoples opinion of the styling rather than the dynamics of the bike. Tor Sagans review of the bike includes an interview with Giovanni who confirms it is a styling exercise, not a more aggressive bike.

jimboF4

I do agree on that. Mostly due to the fat rear tyre and the bar-end mirrors. You could just combine the two and get this. :naughty:

I'm on a roll with photoshop today. :ahhh:

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Ackers

· #17 · Feb 22, 2014

I did that exercise and came up with the same conclusion, it doesn't even look like the bars are any higher on the dragster, I'm not even sure about the bar end mirrors, sure it looks more aggressive without the "ears" for mirrors but I can imagine I would soon get peeved off with them as I watch my mates filter through the queues to the front of the traffic lights while I'm fannying around folding my mirrors in :laughing:

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Chrisj

· #18 · Feb 22, 2014

I think it's more perception. I haven't riode either but sitting on both the Brutale did nothing for us. The Dragster is just the better looking, and better finish. IMO

Ackers

· #19 · Feb 22, 2014

Chrisj said:
I think it's more perception. I haven't riode either but sitting on both the Brutale did nothing for us. The Dragster is just the better looking, and better finish. IMO

That's fair enough, it's more money after all?

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