[kawininja]

Like the title says, anyone ridden the two bikes?

I got a chance to ride the beemer and have to say I was impressed by how smooth and powerful that engine is. Hardly felt the engine at all, even at the low rpms. I was wondering if anyone who has ridden both can compare the engines between the two. Not looking to spend all day arguing aesthetics of the two bikes, but really curious to know how the new mv motor feels.

thanks

 

[mikef4uk]

Like the title says, anyone ridden the two bikes?

I got a chance to ride the beemer and have to say I was impressed by how smooth and powerful that engine is. Hardly felt the engine at all, even at the low rpms. I was wondering if anyone who has ridden both can compare the engines between the two. Not looking to spend all day arguing aesthetics of the two bikes, but really curious to know how the new mv motor feels.

thanks

Steve has a 2010 F4, we have not swapped yet but have done a couple of side by side roll on's, oddly with it's short stroke engine the lower the rpm which we start from (2500rpm) the bigger the initial advantgae the S1000 has..........surprised me pleasantly:naughty:

If we both start from say 5000 rpm the two bikes go side by side and inch by inch untill I guess they reach about 10/11000 rpm where the S1000 again starts to pull away.........not surprising given the figures.

The 2010 F4 has a very strong engine-no doubt, and kept in the range we all use them most (I assume) of 5000-9000rpm's on a usual ride out there is little if nothing in between them, hope that helps

 

[hb88xx]

Steve has a 2010 F4, we have not swapped yet but have done a couple of side by side roll on's, oddly with it's short stroke engine the lower the rpm which we start from (2500rpm) the bigger the initial advantgae the S1000 has..........surprised me pleasantly:naughty:

How much difference have they in gearing, rpm against speed in different gears?

 

[mikef4uk]

How much difference have they in gearing, rpm against speed in different gears?

They're not a million miles apart hb, my 1000S and 1000R would do near enough 90mph at 6000rpm, 08 R1 was exactly the same, 09R1 would do 86mph at 6000rpm and the S1000 I would say 85mph at 6000 rpm (It's a little 'test' I always seem to do) so I guess the 2010F4 to be the same as the 1000R or slightly less due to it's higher max rpm.

Do you know if the 2010 gearing is the same as the earlier bikes?

 

[jonno]

Kawininja, as posted elsewhere - I own the new 2010 F4, and my brother owns the 1000rr and we have swapped bikes on a number of occasions. Engine wise, the BMW wins in terms of smoothness and responsiveness - particularly as Mikef4uk says, below 4k revs. The BMW is much more Japanese-like in that it will pull from pretty much any revs - whereas the F4 has a flat spot at 3500 revs and really requires you to keep it on the boil in order to get a fast getaway. Above 4k, both bikes pull cleanly. The main difference though, is that you feel that you're going faster on the F4 - its partly the glorious sound, but also the effect of the power band. What this means is that you can have fun at lower speeds on the F4. With the RR, like many Japanese sports bikes, the power is so smooth (as you point out) that it actually makes for a slightly uninvolving ride - unless you are really riding at speed - at which point it's the speed itself that provides the thrill. Having ridden both bikes, for me the F4 wins hands down - not because it is the easier bike to ride (it isnt), but because its a more involving bike to ride. The only analogy I can give you is - A Mitsubishi Evo car might be more technologically brilliant, cheaper and easier to drive than many Italian supercars - but which one would you really want to own......

 

[hb88xx]

They're not a million miles apart hb, my 1000S and 1000R would do near enough 90mph at 6000rpm, 08 R1 was exactly the same, 09R1 would do 86mph at 6000rpm and the S1000 I would say 85mph at 6000 rpm (It's a little 'test' I always seem to do) so I guess the 2010F4 to be the same as the 1000R or slightly less due to it's higher max rpm.

Do you know if the 2010 gearing is the same as the earlier bikes?

If I remember correctly
120km/h,75mph at 5000rpm in 6th and 6000rpm in 5th for 2010 F4

2010 F4
RAPPORTI PRIMARIA50/79
RAPPORTI CAMBIO
Prima: Velocità* 14/37 137,4 km/h a 13500 giri/min
Seconda: Velocità* 16/33 176,0 km/h a 13500 giri/min
Terza: Velocità* 18/31 210,8 km/h a 13500 giri/min
Quarta: Velocità* 20/30 242,0 km/h a 13500 giri/min
Quinta: Velocità* 22/29 275,4 km/h a 13500 giri/min
Sesta: Velocità* 21/25 305,0 km/h a 13500 giri/min

* Velocità raggiungibile in pistaRAPPORTO FINALE DI TRASMISSIONE15x41

1000R
Primary drive 50/79
Gear ratio
First gear: Speed* 13/38
Second gear: Speed* 16/34
Third gear: Speed* 18/32
Fourth gear: Speed* 20/30
Fifth gear: Speed* 22/29
Sixth gear: Speed* 21/25
Final velocity ratio 15x40

So they are different.

Would be nice to have this chart on several Mv's

Looks overall the 2010 is a little shorter than 1000r, apart from 1st

 

[kawininja]

thanks guys

 

[The_castle]

http://www.mvagusta.net/forum/showthread.php?t=29454
Even though your new thread is a perfectly legitimate question, Mr. Ninja, I believe you are the most indecisive ninja I have ever heard of.

 

[The_castle]

http://www.mvagusta.net/forum/showthread.php?t=31334
And again.

 

[The_castle]

http://www.mvagusta.net/forum/showthread.php?t=29626
My advice, play it safe and buy the BMW.

 

[bogie1072]

That's funny Dave:laughing::laughing:....when I saw the post I thought sounds familiar but I didn't realize it was four times familiar

Ninja buy a bike and enjoy it! Although I must say the search for a new bike is a good time.... riding is better .... you will love either bike :f4:

 

[The_castle]

I glad to see that "subtle as a hammer" southern hemisphere humour can be appreciated by our northern hemisphere buds!
And I agree, buy a bike and enjoy it. Hell, I love riding my friends clapped out early '90's Yamaha four stroke dirt bike! Never fails to put a smile on my face. It's not what you ride, it's the way you ride it.

 

[bogie1072]

It's not what you ride, it's the way you ride it.

Hmmmmm...........Could, but not quite completely, apply to women as well

 

[kawininja]

Well sorry to everyone that I don't want to piss away money on a shitty bike. I live in alaska. I love the way the mv looks, but cannot test ride one up here. So if I want one I have to buy one off of blind faith if is as good as you all say and have it shipped. I was finally able to test ride the s1000rr this last weekend so now I know how that bike is. Awesome engine....the looks suck....but did I mention awesome engine? If the mv is as smooth as the s1000rr then my problem is solved. I just wanted opinions from anyone who has ridden the NEW mv and the BMW. Half the people here are stuck in the past and can't let go of the older mv.....

if the bmw wasn't so damn ugly I would have bought it already. I hear kawasaki's new zx10 is rumored to be bragging about taking on the bmw s1000rr, but I don't know how true this is. Can't be any uglier.

Why can't someone make a bike with an italian look and performance/reliability/easy to find parts of the jap bikes?

 

[CodeRed]

paralysis of analysis...get the MV and join the club. you won't be disappointed!

 

[bogie1072]

Well sorry to everyone that I don't want to piss away money on a shitty bike. I live in alaska. I love the way the mv looks, but cannot test ride one up here. So if I want one I have to buy one off of blind faith if is as good as you all say and have it shipped. I was finally able to test ride the s1000rr this last weekend so now I know how that bike is. Awesome engine....the looks suck....but did I mention awesome engine? If the mv is as smooth as the s1000rr then my problem is solved. I just wanted opinions from anyone who has ridden the NEW mv and the BMW. Half the people here are stuck in the past and can't let go of the older mv.....

if the bmw wasn't so damn ugly I would have bought it already. I hear kawasaki's new zx10 is rumored to be bragging about taking on the bmw s1000rr, but I don't know how true this is. Can't be any uglier.

Why can't someone make a bike with an italian look and performance/reliability/easy to find parts of the jap bikes?

Ninja.....Dave I are just F%%king around....we don't mean anything by it. I've ridden both. I was going to add either the Beemer or the RSV4 to the collection. Rode the Beemer a few times at my local dealer. I'm pretty good friends with the guys down there and I think I was the first test ride. I PERSONALLY don't like the bike and not because of its looks.

1: Hated the ergonomics
2: Hated the suspension... it sat and dove...and felt like a 70's caddy with bad shocks.....now that I'm sure could be sorted out
3: Thought the clutchless up shift is worthless....I mean come on
4: it is a relatively heavy and big feeling bike
5: hated the gear box....you can't even feel the bike shift...you literally have to look at the gear indicator

Having said that it has a great engine, a great power band and pullls like hell from anywhere and does not complain. I don't mind the look at all.

I would not and will not buy a 1000rr. I just don't like the ergonomics or feel of the bike.

The F4 for me is just worlds apart in fit and feel..... when I rode it I knew it was the inline 4 I was looking for. That I think is your big question and frustration.... you can't test ride one and that is really really important. Opinions are like assholes.... you know the rest.... I think you have to ride one to know. If I bought the BMW I would have been unhappy...so I feel for your situation.

In a straight line the Beemer will win I'm pretty sure with the "pin the throttle, forget the clutch and just click the gears gizmo" but then I really could care less about dragging.

You need to ride one even if that means setting it up with a dealer and flying somewhere to do it. In the end a 400-500 dollar trip to figure out which bike you really want is probably well worth it.

My 2 cents

 

[theknurl]

http://www.mvagusta.net/forum/showthread.php?t=29626
My advice, play it safe and buy the BMW.

Well sorry to everyone that I don't want to piss away money on a shitty bike. I live in Alaska. I love the way the MV looks, but cannot test ride one up here.
if the BMW wasn't so damn ugly I would have bought it already. Can't be any uglier.

stop whining and book a test ride in the lower 48, fly down and ride it.......on second thought do like Dave said.....the BMW will be perfect for you.....

how's that Dave?

Noel-theknurl

 

[squibby]

We all know that the MV is intentionally less powerful then the Beemer. I think we are all familiar enough with MV to know they have an R then and RR then an 1100cc then a 1250cc etc etc in the pipeline. And I think we know its going to be the fastest bike around the N'ring in a few years when the serious power models come out.

 

[kawininja]

I'm 6ft 185lbs

I too thought the beemer was uncomforatable. It sits me more upright than on my 1198s (taking weight off my wrists), but causes me to bend my lower back more which I really hate since I kind of messed it up a while back. Also, I thought the beemers foot pegs were too high. I actually thought my ducati was much more comforatable for my frame. The beemers gear box seemed too weird. hard to explain. I really did like how smooth that motor is.

You all are right I do need to test ride the mv. I hope I can sometime. Will most mv dealers allow test drives since they don't get many bikes in?

Also, being a mv newb, do you really think the 2010 will come in the rr model eventually? And what are we likely to see as differences between what is being offered as the base?

I hate being stuck up in alaska! It is beautiful this time of year, but damn hard to sell a house.

 

[The_castle]

If their recent history is anything to go by then there can be little doubt that MV will release "limited edition" versions of the new generation F4.

That's the one I'll be looking at.