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hey guys.

No, I don't have one yet, but I remember very distinctively the first article I saw in one of the magazines featuring the up-coming brutale serie oro.

that was a few years ago, and I've been drooling ever since.

SITUATION: My company is moving me to Zurich for the next few years. I leave September 5th. I want to get a 910, but I am torn between grabbing one now + shipping - vs. - buying a euro-spec bike once I get there.

I don't know what the emission standards are, and I am having a hell of a time trying to find out what the expenses will be besides shipping, taxes, reg./licensing, mph-to-kmh. A new brutale in CH/surrounding countries (even Italy!) is significantly more expensive... no joke... few grand. So, if I shouldn't have to dump $3k into some crazy emission conversion, I can actually save a few bucks by purchasing here.

let me know your thoughts... perhaps some of you have experience with this.

my name is dougan, I currently ride the "trickest" ktm duke II you've ever seen (my favorite bike ever!) & a 954RR. pleasure to meet you all... hope to "officially" join you soon.

cheers.
 

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Dougan,

First of all, welcome to MVAgusta.net! Good choice with the Brutale, I'm sure whatever choice you make will be a great one. I'm sure guys on the board should be able to better inform you about the international fees and differences.

Enjoy!
 

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another question....

I have this terrible problem with a need to personalize bikes. I've already priced out my painting situation, but has anyone powder-coated their 5-spoke (star) wheels?

Am I gonna have to get the berrings re-pressed for this? ...experiences? ...cost? ...does a matte black, or gloss black 5-spoke exist?

thanks guys. dougan.
 

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I know in Italy it's not a problem to keep the bike licensed in the US as long as you also keep your US driver's license as well as address. I know a guy that kept a Monster there for a couple years with no issues. As long as you get local insurance, you're covered. The Swiss though are a lot stiffer than the Italians so this may not be possible. Why don't you tell your company to send you to Milan instead?
 

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I'm sure they wouldn't mind me living in Milan... as long as i was happy with 8 hours of commuting everyday.

In order for me to have an int'l license (which I will need while living there), I have to give-up my states license.
 

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do you actually have to give up a US license? I know swiss isn't EU, so i'm not really sure, but for other EU (UK for me), a US license isn't worth anything. you can't exchange it, so better off just taking the tests as a newbie.

You should get the IDP anyway (though they probably don't require it), which requires you to have the underlying license be valid.
 

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tkyo lunch... thank you....

ok... well, the information I have, both through my company resouces & through contact with various x-pats in CH, is very similar to that of the EU for driving. My CA frivers license isn't worth a thing. They will let me skip the driving test with it, but I have to take the written (something similar to our written exam), and then once I get my idp, I can use it in the states, but my states license is no longer valid.

apparently i can't have two licenses.

I can't maintain a US licensed motorcycle in CH.

are the EU bikes set to any different emission standards than US bikes, to your knowledge?

thanks again.

dougan.
 

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when it comes to taking a US bike into EU (Swiss has some partner thing with EU) an re-license it as a EU bike I wouldn't suggest that. Import bikes into the EU isn't that easy. Even if the bike is the same the paper will state that it's US spec bike :bash:

Maybee you could as the swiss MV importer for help. They might be able to light up your issue.

cheers, zeta
 

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Dougan

i'll try to give you an answer on a few of your questions. Hope you will understand my not very good english writting!!
Ok, I am a swiss and I am working for the town police in Zuerich!! Just that you know where I got the information from when it comes to the driving licence...!
Ok, lets go.

A Brutale 910 S costs you in Switzerland 23'200.- CHF, this is approx: 18'752 USD.
A Brutale 910 R is here 26'900 CHF, also approx: 21'745 USD.
All taxes are included. The most dealers give you a price reduction if you pay cash...!

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My CA frivers license isn't worth a thing. They will let me skip the driving test with it, but I have to take the written (something similar to our written exam), and then once I get my idp, I can use it in the states, but my states license is no longer valid.
apparently i can't have two licenses.
I can't maintain a US licensed motorcycle in CH.
It is worth a thing. You are allowed to ride/drive every motorcycle or car with your US Licence, from the first day you arrive in Switzerland! I guess you have both, the Motorbike and Car Licence...so, there will be no problem here for you.

If you stay longer than a year in switzerland...and you brought a car / motorbike with you to switzerland, you have to replace the US numberplates with swiss numberplates!!! And of course you must show your cars / motorbikes at the swiss car controll. I guess the only problem will be the speedo of your motorbike/ car. We have here Kilometers per hour and you have miles per hour!!! This is certainlly something you have to change!

So or so, after a year, you must change your US Numberplate against a Swiss Numberplate!!! How that thing works with assurance withhin this year where you are driving around with US number plates....that is something I had to find out...no idee yet!

You can still keep your US Driving Licence..they just will give you a new swiss driving license...thats it.

There is no need to do a driving test here in Switzerland, and you musen't do the writting exam... :jsm:

Hmm...phoned the swiss car controll...it is a pity, they do not have english transleted documents to the information you requested.
But if you need some more information on this, I am glad to help you ....if i can.

Greez
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yeah, get the IDP for sure. Not sure about swiss specifics, but try to get it dated before you land in CH (it's the requirement in japan anyway).

if for whatever reason you have to surrender anything, call up the DMV and tell them you lost it!

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sounds like a pain. I know japan is extra special about that, and it hurts. I got a gray market bike in the UK as it was a US Spec bike. If you go through a dealer, they sort it all out for you. You can save some cash this way. Not sure about prices for Swiss, but UK prices are pretty silly for cars & bikes, so the gray market was fairly common? (for lack of a better word).
 

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what are the chances...? you guys are great!!!

there happens to be a Zuri Police Officer on this board :D

I love the swiss, but you would think for a country that specializes in harbouring foreigners (and their money!), they could put together a great little book for guys like me.... "So, you wanna be an ex-pat?" *step-by-step guide to working & living in Switzerland*

I'm thinking New York Times Bestseller... Oprah Bookclub..... a runnaway success. I see a brilliant follow-up titled, "10 Easy Steps to Get Your Money Back Into the US... without getting taxed!"

that's great info... I'm just hoping its accurate.... though, considering it comes from a swissman, its probably "gnau" (how do you spell that?)

danke.
 
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