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Hi all, new to the forum. I'm looking at trading in my 1098s for the new 1090rr 2013 gold n pearl and have been doing a fair bit of research on the brutes. The general consensus seems to be the bike is great, and I'm convinced more and more that this is the bike for me. One thing I have noticed, and hoping others have too, is the new model has chunky mig welds, whereas previous years have nice tig welded frames. Being a bit picky here but to me this cheapens the finish on the bike. Is there a reason for the change in welds? Are the new welds stronger? It's not a deal breaker but just a bit disappointed the new model doesn't have the glorious welds of previous models. Perhaps it is possible to place an order for a new bike, but with the tig welded frame?
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I guess like most things it comes down to costs. Cheaper welding means cheaper bikes means more sales i guess.
 

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Hy
got a 2012 RR myself, the last of the TRUE RR's:stickpoke
Yep they did some 'cutbacks'
they come 1500 euros cheaper now.
differance is mosteley the cro-mo
frame with tig welding , witch is much lighter and has to be welded by hand
as now its a more common steel frame wich is robot welded.
Also the 2012 RR got forged, milled marchesini wheels
as the 2013 got cast wheels.
engine the same dough on 2012-2013 RR's
not so on the 2011 RR's , they got the engine now sitting in the R and
1090
my wish would be to try and get an overstock 2012 modell, mayebe at the same price as the new models now...
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Now that's interesting. All the advertisements in Oz for the 2013 RR state cro-mo tig welded. Pics show that too. The R and below get the steel mig welded frame.
 

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Also interesting that cro-mo "has to be welded by hand"
I didn't know that!
I'm pretty sure the frame on my dirt bike is cro-mo and don't think that's hand welded infact I'm sure it's not.
 

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Also interesting that cro-mo "has to be welded by hand"
I didn't know that!
I'm pretty sure the frame on my dirt bike is cro-mo and don't think that's hand welded infact I'm sure it's not.
Sorry
got that wrong
its the tig welding that needs hand work (on frames)
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Thanks for the responses, much appreciated. I figured it may have been a cost cutting exercise but thought I would put the question out there. I would be tempted to go for a 2012, but the 2013 just floats my boat. Is there much difference between the forged al alloy wheels on the 2012 and the cast al alloy for 2013? Are the forged wheels lighter? Will it make a noticeable difference to the bikes handling? Anyway, thanks again.
 

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It is stated by MV Agusta that the new design is 1,5 kg lighter then the previous star rims. They should be a little bit heavier then the 2012 forged ones. This is the reason they also put them on the 2013 RR.
If you compare the numbers of total weight of a 2012 RR with a 2013 1090 or 1090R and even the 1090RR you will see it is the same (183 kg). I myself find them light steering and they definitely look awesome so the figures put out by MV look to be correct...
 

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I'm happy with cost cutting exercises as long as their benefits are passed on to me. Yes it's still a crmo frame but it's no longer hand welded and it's lost it's forged rims... but I bought a full HP Corse system with the money I saved and boy was it worth it. :naughty:
 

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Have just seen the the full Brutale range at MotoTecnik in Furntree Gully, all Brutes frames are now mig welded, doesnt look too bad in red but certainly not as nice as they used to be, on the whole I think the RR Brute looks tops, to me this is paint scheme they should have been released with initially. I really like the wheels in the flesh and if it was my money going down I would get the sides and the flat part of the rims polished and leave spokes original that would look very trick imo.

James
 
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