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I just plunked down a deposit on the Orange and Black 2008 Brutale 910S and am now wondering if I should have bought the 910R instead. The 910R the dealer has is 2007 and they won't have any deliveries of the 2008 910R until after the new year. My question is what are your opinions on the differences between the two? This will be my first MV after many years of fence-sitting. The price difference was not really a concern, it was more abou aesthetic appearance. That Black & Orange combo grabbed my attention immediately and I had to have it. Apparently the 910R will not be available in the B&O color combo. What can you tell me in terms of advantages and benefits whether technical/engineering/performance that may sway me away from the S and onto the R? Your input will be greatly appreciated.
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Lighter wheels, Brembo radial brakes, Upgraded suspension front and rear, a bit more power from intake port work, fancier seat leather........

Other than that, they are the same bikes. If you like the Orange (it is a nice color) and don't think you will benefit from better suspension and brakes (or can afford to buy them later), get the S.
 

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as above, plus: new ecu with its lamda sensor in new bikes prohibits possible use of power commander (for now), and the one piece exhaust prohibits simply replacing mid pipe (better sound, less heat, maybe a horse or two). (I like the wheels on the S), but the brakes, especially, on the R are tempting. The R however, for '08, will come in that awesome white/black... ah, such choices :)
 

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If you get the 910s before you pick it up have them install ebc brake pads. The difference in braking is unreal. I don't think the brembos would stop any better. It may cost you 90 bucks but it worth its weight in gold. The orange is awsome!! The one thing I hated about my bike were the brakes. Its amazing what a good pad will do. All I do is touch the lever with 2 fingers now.
 

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There is no denying the differnece in stopping power with the brembos on the R.

I have never ridden a 910S, but have ridden the F41000S, which felt like a Cadillac compared to my 910R. It was much softer sprung and the brakes were not nearly as sensitive, but the bike seemed a little easier to ride, more relaxed oddly enough. Although there was considerably more power available in that engine, it sure as hell didnt feel like it, the powerband is much smoother that the 910R.

I dont know if the 910S has the same sort of "I just got kicked in the face" power delivery as the 910R. It takes some getting used to, the bike doenst ride like anyother I-4 that I have ever sampled, more like a snappy, angry twin.

I realize im comparing apples to oranges here, but maybe it helps.
 

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Had money down on an Orange and Black 08 910S. Love the color. Ended up buying a new 07 910R because to change the exhaust on the closed Euro3 system was painfully expensive.

The 07 910R came with the additional titanium race exhaust which I had the dealer install. It's great! Much lighter than stock and sounds strong. I don't think it comes with the 08 and is why the new version retails for less than the 07.

The exhaust system, along with the other upgrades, swung me to the 07R. I am happy I went that way although I still really, really like that orange!
 

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EBC HH (#FA249HH) brake pads on my "S", and I've never looked back and have no regrets!

I love my "S" even more with the EBC pads, and I always preferred the look of the "S" over the "R" (just my opinion)! Plus, the "R" doesn't come in argento/rosso!
 

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hayabusa said:
Had money down on an Orange and Black 08 910S. Love the color. Ended up buying a new 07 910R because to change the exhaust on the closed Euro3 system was painfully expensive.

The 07 910R came with the additional titanium race exhaust which I had the dealer install. It's great! Much lighter than stock and sounds strong. I don't think it comes with the 08 and is why the new version retails for less than the 07.

The exhaust system, along with the other upgrades, swung me to the 07R. I am happy I went that way although I still really, really like that orange!

+1 That's the reason I looked for (and bought) an 06 910R. Race exhaust and EPROM readily available -- EZ upgrade for performance without the headaches of working around the Lambda sensors on the 08 models.
 

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I went from the '06 910S to the '08 910R. I liken the difference to that of a college versus professional athlete - both exude approximate equal physical prowess, and it is the mentality and over-the-top attitude that separate the professional R from its college S counterpart.

While the 910S already had amazing acceleration, the 910R crunches that acceleration towards the low end - jerk, I believe they call it. The 910R also has the lighter wheels, leading to easier side-to-side handling. However, the 910R also runs 10-15 degrees Farenheit hotter.

On weekends, I watch and enjoy both college and professional football, and would play either one - in the same vein, I would be happy with either bike. (I really only went with the R because the '08 910S no longer had the black tank-red frame color scheme I found so enticing.)
 

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Thanks for the input

Guys,
Thanks for the input. It is exactly what I was hoping for in helping me make the decision.
I have decided to go ahead with the Black & Orange 910S. I plan on changing out the stock exhaust for an Arrow stubby, (along with the neccessary eprom), some minor aesthetic changes (mirrors,front signal indicators, etc.) and will most likely upgrade to the Brembo brake set up for front and rear. I think I'll ride with the existing stock suspension for a while before I determine whether or not to upgrade.
Your input has been extremely helpful and I thank you.
I look forward to being in this mix.
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Joe
 

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G. Rand,
As far as the swap out of the full exhaust to an aftermarket set up, which will obviously then be a mulit-piece, is there any info or history (even though these things are just hitting the street) on the kinds of problems with the Lambda sensors not 'syncing' with the aftermarket setups? I am wondering if I should wait on the exhaust changeover until any potential kinks are worked out or until any electronic-control soultions that may not be available right now are put into place.
Thoughts on this?
Joe
 

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hayabusa said:
The 07 910R came with the additional titanium race exhaust which I had the dealer install. It's great! Much lighter than stock and sounds strong. I don't think it comes with the 08 and is why the new version retails for less than the 07.
I bought a 2007 910R in June. My dealer never mentioned anything about the titanum exhaust. Was it included in the purchase price? If so, how would I know if he installed it? I'm new to this forum and having lurking around for a few weeks. It was an impulse purchase and I didn't know to ask these questions at the time. Thanks.
 

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NotAnyJoe:

I think there are a couple of options for you:

1. Buy an aftermarket exhaust unit and modify it to accomodate the Lambda sensor (I don't think there are any exhaust systems on the market with a "Lambda Ready" option) and use the OEM ECU

2. Install an aftermarket exhaust and the aftermarket race ECU that requires no Lambda sensor circuit, as mentioned by mrossk.

There is a lot of information on the Lambda sensor circuit and challenges working with it on this forum -- search for the thread by Khameron in particular -- great thread.
 

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Artful_Dodger said:
I bought a 2007 910R in June. My dealer never mentioned anything about the titanum exhaust. Was it included in the purchase price? If so, how would I know if he installed it? I'm new to this forum and having lurking around for a few weeks. It was an impulse purchase and I didn't know to ask these questions at the time. Thanks.
When I bought my 2008 the dealer had (has) a demo 2007 which I test rode. It was equipped with the Corse pipes and ECU. The dealer explained to me that the 2007 model came with those pieces included and that is why it was $1000 more then the new 2008 which didn't. Quite a good deal actually, but I wanted the White/Black 2008 for the looks. I will have to deal with the pipe and Euro3 ECU problems at my expense.

So to answer your question, Yes, the 2007 was supposed to come with the Corse pipes and ECU included. You get to keep the stock stuff too if you have the dealer install the performance parts. Perhaps you got a discounted price and the dealer kept the extras as a result? I don't know, but you may want to ask. Go to the MV Agusta USA web site and the model specs and info will show these details.
 

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I believe the MV Corse race exhaust that came with the 06 models (and maybe some 07's) weren't actually titanium -- they were stainless steel. At least mine was.
 

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G. Rand is probably right, I might have been misinformed by the dealer on the Corse being titanium. Can't eyeball it because my baby has been back at the dealership for the dreaded stalling issue. Started with 180 miles on the clock. Hope they address it as I LOVE THIS BIKE and only got 300 miles in the saddle.

Bought the bike last month and it came with the Corse system and ECU. Dealer gave me stock parts.

Artful Dodger: easiest way to tell if the Corse is on the bike is to see if you have a midpipe or if there is a big converter. Also, my stock set up says "MV Agusta" in an oval on the top pipe. My Corse says "Brutale" on the top pipe with a disclaimer in small letters about not being designed for use on the street.

esq'z me: congrats on the 08. Haven't seen the white in the flesh but it looks great in pics!
 

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Looks like I have the stock set up. And I paid full retail. So I should have received the race exhaust as well as the Eprom chip from the dealer? I can't believe this. Those thieving bastards!
 

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Talk to your dealer and if you don't get satisfaction, call Cagiva USA and let us know what they say. I tried to open the Brutale 910R "brochure" on the MVAgustaUSA website to see what it said but no luck. You may want to give that a try. Regardless of what any literature may say, watch out for the lethal "specifications subject to change at any time" disclaimer. Just because someone before you got the pipes doesn't mean everyone does... :confused:
 
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