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Ok, so I have been reading up and poking around a lot in the past couple months and since I brought home my 07' Senna last weekend. I know that they like to run hot, and since I am in FL in the U.S. I need to get that nipped in the butt since summer is almost here, and we like to be well into the 90's (F) in the summer. I also have a couple other things I want to accomplish at the same time while I am taking the bike apart.

First the cooling aspect:

1) I already ordered the muzzy aluminum fans, they are on the way.

2) MV oem improved impeller and housing vs. the Design Corse race water pump. Will I see a big difference between the two? $$ wise they are a ways apart so want to get input from people who have run both.

3) ECU upgrading for fan turn on point and other goodies. I see that Merc, and some others are providing this. I do not know what ECU I have currently, but see this has made a large improvement in keeping the bike cool, and overall performance. I also plan to do a BMC air filter and a cat delete, so maybe the ECU upgrade will help liven the bike up as well? Who is the best/closest person to me to talk to about this?

Which brings me to my next question:

Who is making, and where can I get a nice mid-pipe/cat delete? I don't want to replace the whole exhaust (actually I do want to, but between the price for a full titanium setup, and trying to keep the bike close to original, I am choosing not to), and have heard this mod really opens things up.

I hope to get all of this going pretty soon. Thanks in advance for all the help :f4:
 

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There is quite a difference between the MV upgrade and DC pump, especially when not moving.
It's not the ultimate solution, but goes a long way towards helping.

Adam's tune is not suitable for your ECU, you have the later ECU with no chip to replace. I found the Microtec ECU to be the ultimate solution to all these issue's. If that's out of your budget, speak to Chuck's (silentservice) mate.

Check any of the forum sponsors in the market place, they all sell the Arrow's midpipe you are looking for.
 

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Any riding here locally will just be to bike shows and around town, so a lot of stop and go since there is nothing exciting about riding in FL. It's blazing hot and rainy one half the year, and then all the old near death snow birds come down the other half of the year and try to run you over.

It looks like a Microtec ECU is a little out of my reach price wise right now. Is Chris the guy that sells and tunes them? Looks like he is over in the UK? If that is the only other solution behind changing the fan temp turn on, maybe I should go with a manual fan switch and a power commander?

I'll see if I can get a hold of Chuck (silentservice) to see what he offers.

Ah, yes the Arrow midpipe... I forgot the brand. Thanks!!
 

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I got the MV corse ECU and for me that worked out fine. Also a little lower on temps but in slow traffic and stand still its very bad. And I don't live in hot country. I am planning to install the DC waterpump and Muzzy fans.
 

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I got the arrow mid-pipe cat delete. Top quality and reasonable cost. No cooling work yet, but will do fans, mv improved pump/housing, and Samco hoses. Like you, the BMC filter next, don't think need any ECU work if you do the pump, hoses, fan. I've found responsiveness with just midpipe change better. No flat spots and pulls like a beast....
 

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Ok, so I have been reading up and poking around a lot in the past couple months and since I brought home my 07' Senna last weekend. I know that they like to run hot, and since I am in FL in the U.S. I need to get that nipped in the butt since summer is almost here, and we like to be well into the 90's (F) in the summer. I also have a couple other things I want to accomplish at the same time while I am taking the bike apart.

First the cooling aspect:

1) I already ordered the muzzy aluminum fans, they are on the way.

2) MV oem improved impeller and housing vs. the Design Corse race water pump. Will I see a big difference between the two? $$ wise they are a ways apart so want to get input from people who have run both.

3) ECU upgrading for fan turn on point and other goodies. I see that Merc, and some others are providing this. I do not know what ECU I have currently, but see this has made a large improvement in keeping the bike cool, and overall performance. I also plan to do a BMC air filter and a cat delete, so maybe the ECU upgrade will help liven the bike up as well? Who is the best/closest person to me to talk to about this?

Which brings me to my next question:

Who is making, and where can I get a nice mid-pipe/cat delete? I don't want to replace the whole exhaust (actually I do want to, but between the price for a full titanium setup, and trying to keep the bike close to original, I am choosing not to), and have heard this mod really opens things up.

I hope to get all of this going pretty soon. Thanks in advance for all the help :f4:
I'll ask Daniel tomorrow how he got his 1000 Senna to cool. He tried just about everything but It would overheat to the point of shutting off. I think Noel correctly diagnosed the real problem which, if I remember correctly, was severely retarded timing at idle which was done to make it emissions compliant.

He did manage to score an amazing deal on some titanium slip ons from a handsome and respected forum member and an even more amazing deal from a handsomer and more respecteder forum member in NZ. It was a safety issue, of course.
 

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That would be great. I would love all the input I can get. I haven't even ridden it very far yet, so I can't attest to how hot it really runs... but I would rather do all of what it needs and what I want now then ride it around and cause damage to the fans or whatever else knowing that there is a pretty standard issue with the F4 and cooling.

I don't think even the PCV did ignition timing... not that there is a PCV for the 09' and older MV's anyway I believe, it would be a PCIII. Can I say for the record: SCREW U.S. EMISSIONS... I mean save the planet and all of that good stuff but come on. At least we have no emissions standards or testing in FL., so you can run whatever you want where I live.

I've been checking out the for sale section here quite a bit... but no mid pipes or anything I am looking to buy right away has come up yet.
 

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too hot?

Draginknee;

any TIG welder can delete your Cat and weld the pipe back together.....the lump is insulation :naughty: yes, I did mine

you need your ECU reflashed.....

FBF can do it, make sure they change the fan switch on temp to ~85C/185F

If you have an aftermarket air filter tell them, running stock cans, tell them

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Draginknee;

any TIG welder can delete your Cat and weld the pipe back together.....the lump is insulation :naughty: yes, I did mine

you need your ECU reflashed.....

FBF can do it, make sure they change the fan switch on temp to ~85C/185F

If you have an aftermarket air filter tell them, running stock cans, tell them

:popcorn:
I was talking to a friend about this today... but literally everyone that does fab work (or mechanical/tuning work) in my area, sucks... and I want it to look good/right. So I will probably break down and just buy the midpipe.

Where is FBF at? I am assuming that stands for Fast by Ferracci? That would be great. Even if they aren't close I assume I could just send them the ECU and tell them what I want/have?
 

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Donsy;
the PC won't change the ignition map or the fan switch on temp, he needs a good reflash WITH those features

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Donsy;
the PC won't change the ignition map or the fan switch on temp, he needs a good reflash WITH those features

:drummer:
I know Noel, it's another option, albeit not the best one by far, but for some bikes, blokes and budget's it might be enough.
 

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reflash

Donsy;
I think the reflash is cheaper by far....no mapping to do and new ignition map too which the PC won't do

if they'll change the fan switch temp too its win, win and win

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I was talking to a friend about this today... but literally everyone that does fab work (or mechanical/tuning work) in my area, sucks... and I want it to look good/right. So I will probably break down and just buy the midpipe.

Where is FBF at? I am assuming that stands for Fast by Ferracci? That would be great. Even if they aren't close I assume I could just send them the ECU and tell them what I want/have?
Fbf is located in pa about a hour away from the jersey shore I've spoken with them a few times sounds like a good group of guys but I haven't gotten any work done by them yet so I can't speak about that but good luck on all your upgrades
 

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I was checking out FBF's website, and it lists $615 for a re-flash ECU, but I'm not sure if that includes an ECU as they have ECU's advertised for the same price. I just want to send mine in... not buy another one, right?

I also PM'd Chuck about it, and he knows a guy in MA that can re-flash my ECU with what mods I have/will have and be able to change the fan turn on points as well. So looks like I will make a couple of phone calls this week and get that sorted as to who I am going to use. That sounds like the best option so far.

In other news, went to take the MV out for a ride this morning as it is nice and cool, and the battery didn't have enough juice to start... and it's only been sitting for a week. Looks like I will add an AGM battery to my list as well.
 
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