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Happy 75. anniversary jet plane

Today, August 27, is the 75. anniversary of the first jet propelled air plane.
The Heinkel He178 started for the first time on August 27, 1939 at Rostok-Marienehe / Germany.
The He 178 was a privately financed project.
Erich Warsitz, the test pilot, flew it for around 8 minutes and reached speeds of up to 700kph.
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Yeah Donsy, this little plane marked the beginning of the way everything flies today.
The Gloster jet flew 21 month later and was still old school.
Amazingly that all our aviation friends on this forum have nothing to say.
They rather drool over a low tech, mass produced, mass murder bomber used to level cities filled with children and women.
Bomber Harris said once: Please Lord let us win this war, otherwise they will hang us as war criminals.
And sure a Spitfire was a great plane, but a dinosaur in his last breath.
But so where Bf109, FW190, Mustang, Jak3 and all the others planes used at the end of WW2.
Fantastic fighter planes no doubt and the peak of piston engine aviation.
The He178 was the beginning of something new and was not developed under the umbrella of the Luftwaffe.
In fact the leaders of the Luftwaffe forbid further wasting of resources.
As this plane had only a range of 200km and seemed to be of no use for the war.
Besides this they flew this plane secretly for 12 more test flights.
At the end it was destroyed during a bomb raid over Rostock.
Sure the idea was spun further and leaded later to the Me262 the first, and even mass produced, jet fighter.
Against which Spitfire's, Mosquito's and so on had merely only a chance near the air bases where the jets started and landed.
The evil Germans developed quite a few interesting planes which were after the war collected and shipped to Britain,the US and Russia.
Guess what most of their post war developed planes are based on German technology.
Even the stealth bomber looks pretty much like copy of the Horten IX.
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German technology was very advanced...good thing Adolf was an idiot or the world would be a different place today. (or not???)

My first father-in-law was a Mosquito pilot with the CRAF/RAF....he told me once of encountering a ME262 late in the war. It was equipped as a bomber (example of Adolf's lunacy), but he said it basically disappeared when he tried to give chase.

My how things have changed.
Thanks for posting that photo.....very rare, that one.

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German technology was very advanced...good thing Adolf was an idiot or the world would be a different place today. (or not???)

My first father-in-law was a Mosquito pilot with the CRAF/RAF....he told me once of encountering a ME262 late in the war. It was equipped as a bomber (example of Adolf's lunacy), but he said it basically disappeared when he tried to give chase.

My how things have changed.
Thanks for posting that photo.....very rare, that one.
If the world would be a worst place or not is pure speculation.
In fact Germany lost and the remainder is an occupied country without a constitution.
A country which is according to the UN enmity clause and the Haager war treaty still in war with 45 countries and is not reunited.
However we all are, I believe, being fascinated by technology and machinery, engines and speed.
Milestones in aviation are still milestones.
If masterminds invent something what proofed to be the way things will go in the future, than it is still something to admire.
A Superfortress is still an amazing bomber after it was used for the greatest unnecessary war crime in history.
A B52 is an amazing plane after 60 years of operation were it was used to kill thousands of civilians.
So see the story of the He178 as the marvel and milestone it is.
Not as an ideological instrument, what it never was.
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Ralf.....

last time I checked Germany started WWll after a little practice in Spain

that they lost the war was predicted by Japanese Admiral Isoroku

Yamamoto "I'm afraid we have awakened the sleeping giant"

"if we don't win the war in 6 months, we will lose"

the end of the Japanese Navy happened exactly 6 months after Pearl Harbor at the Battle of Midway

yes, we used "low tech" tools like the Flying Fortress B-17 NOT the

Super Fortress B-29
to pound German cities and kill untold

thousands of civilians

and exactly what did the Germans do with that I.G.Farben product

Zyklon-B?????


http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar...t/h-zyklon.htm

oh, yes the Panther tank was a better tank than the Sherman ......but its too "high tech" to be produced in any numbers

and yes, Michael Wittmann was the best tank commander of WWll but

he was......one man......and made a mistake

remember the Battle of Kursk?

here's what German Generals said about the Russian T-34;

"Very worrying", Colonel-General Heinz Guderian, Commander of Second Panzer Army.

"We had nothing comparable", Major-General F.W. Mellenthin, Chief of Staff of XLVIII Panzer Corps.

"The finest tank in the world", Field-Marshal Ewald von Kleist, First Panzer Army.

"This tank (T-34) adversely affected the morale of the German infantry", General G. Blumentritt.

the Russians built 57,300 T-34s, we built 68,800 Sherman tanks (in all

variations)

in 1945 the Germans built ~435 tanks

to paraphrase General Patton 'war is a game of attrition' and we and

the Russians ground the Germans into the ground with "low tech" tools

mass produced......German "high tech fascination" and High Staff's lack

of balls to stand up to the 'Corporal' extended the war and caused

untold German suffering......

remember the words of Hermann Göring when he walked out of the

Reichschancellry and saw P-51s escorting B-17s over Berlin "the war is

lost"

and Ralf;

Herr Albert Speer was a personal friend of mine and my Father's

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Noel the B-29 was used to drop the nuclear bombs.
The B-52 helped to kill thousands of civilians in post WW2 attacks in the name of democracy.
There is a Panther in Fort Knox Patten museum.
This one was used in the Ardennes.
The Germans pulverized 10 Sherman with this tank in this fight.
After that the front had passed and the tank was behind the lines.
Without fuel the Germans had to abandon the tank.
And yes I said it already the Germans lost the war.
The crippled industry was not able to produce anything in sufficient quantity anymore.
Historians tell that the Russians lost at Kursk in one Day more tanks than the Germans even had on the eastern front.
Alone the Russians had the next Day double the amount.
So the winners are the ones to teach us the stories and this must not be always the truth.
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