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Suspension?

Hey all,

I am looking to pick up a B3 RC this spring and am curious about the suspension, I am struggling to find solid info.

First of all, for someone with an '18 or '19, how is the suspension? Everyone says stiff but that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

How is the adjustability? What settings are adjustable? preload, rebound, hi/lo compression? How about the shock?

People goff about not having Ohlins which is definitely understandable on a bike at this price, but they are not the only good brand out there. I don't know a ton about Marzocchi (other than from my old MTB days.)

Thanks for any info!
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Hello again Seattle

One of the best investments I have ever made on a bike was taking it to a suspension specialist, at the very least for an adjustment, which is easy enough to do for yourself, but if you can afford it (I think it was $50 AUD), is perhaps a better use of your time than mucking around to get it right. I do my own MTBs, but I found having a conversation with a suspension specialist to discuss the handling characteristics you want, your riding style & size and what the bike is capable of with someone in the trade is most helpful.

I did not get the 'full bizzo' done to either of my MVs, but can attest to the virtues of new springs front and rear, and both ends being re-valved with bikes that are older or have a few klms on them.

The level of adjustability of the suspension on a particular bike you are intersted in can also be gathered from reading lots of mag/web reviews.

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Hi DB , MAC hit the nail on the head . A Professional suspension tune is worth every penny. You will notice the difference immediately . Front suspension upgrade gets the best results over rear suspension upgrade . The best Value in Suspension is NITRON , Ohlins quality or better since they sell there best products to the public. Cost is roughly 70% of Ohlins . Nitron has been competing against Ohlins in F1 for 20 years and have gotten into motorcycle suspension roughly 5 years ago. I had a Superbike team and professional rider so this opinion is his , My riding skills where never good enough to push a modern suspension set up to its limits . We tried all different brands of suspension on my Superbike collection of 12 bikes . I have nothing against OHLINS they do make THE best suspension BUT its unobtainium(cant buy unless WSBK/MotoGP team) Nitron sells its best to the public . You wont be disappointed. FYI ordered NITRONS BEST rear shock with hydrolic preload 980$(they have went up a bit , now 1000/1100$ the shock was at my door in 10 days . Titanium spring , could feel the difference instantly on my 2007 F41000R.
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Hi DB , MAC hit the nail on the head . A Professional suspension tune is worth every penny. You will notice the difference immediately . Front suspension upgrade gets the best results over rear suspension upgrade . The best Value in Suspension is NITRON , Ohlins quality or better since they sell there best products to the public. Cost is roughly 70% of Ohlins . Nitron has been competing against Ohlins in F1 for 20 years and have gotten into motorcycle suspension roughly 5 years ago. I had a Superbike team and professional rider so this opinion is his , My riding skills where never good enough to push a modern suspension set up to its limits . We tried all different brands of suspension on my Superbike collection of 12 bikes . I have nothing against OHLINS they do make THE best suspension BUT its unobtainium(cant buy unless WSBK/MotoGP team) Nitron sells its best to the public . You wont be disappointed. FYI ordered NITRONS BEST rear shock with hydrolic preload 980$(they have went up a bit , now 1000/1100$ the shock was at my door in 10 days . Titanium spring , could feel the difference instantly on my 2007 F41000R.
Wow, both the superbike team, and the price in the US of those Nitron shocks, that is a bargain even with the stronger US currency ie x1.33.
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Mac I bought them when they first came on the market. Suspension tuner said Nitron triple adjustable race shock same as the Ohlins TXX46 they used in WSBK at 3? years ago . They have gained popularity and price went to 1000/1100. FYI Nitron also uses the special coatings on the main shaft ect ect . My Rider likes Nitron best also (for the price I think the TXX46 is now the Ohlins TXX GP which costs$$$) No Matter what brand I recommend taking bike to suspension tuner .
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@db_509 Ohlins are not the only good suspension company. The MV RC comes with top level suspension with full adjustability.

Unless you are a top tier pro racer you should be able to adjust it, or have it adjusted, to suit you just fine.
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I know from one guy in Germany that he changed fork oil to a heavier one with a little larger air chamber and installed a softer rear spring on the rear shock absorber together with less nitrogen pressure....
Fork now has SAE15 oil with 120 mm air chamber, nitrogen pressure of the shock was reduced from 10 bar to 7,5 bar and a 90 kg spring put in.



He is happy with his setup at an affordable price.




I myself got a new rear shock from Wilbers here in Germany - a highly recommended producer of suspension parts. They work with ZF, the producer of Sachs shocks (now also labeled ZF):


https://www.wilbers-shop.de/en/Motor...html?year=2015


I also installed new cartridges from Andreani, the Italian importer of Ohlins:
https://www.andreanigroup.com/shop/m...a+Brutale+800+


Keep in mind that theses pricess include 19 / 21% sales tax / VAT.


Both fork and shock are adjusted to my weight, just need to do some fine tuning with a klick here and there...



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Hello again Seattle

One of the best investments I have ever made on a bike was taking it to a suspension specialist, at the very least for an adjustment, which is easy enough to do for yourself, but if you can afford it (I think it was $50 AUD), is perhaps a better use of your time than mucking around to get it right. I do my own MTBs, but I found having a conversation with a suspension specialist to discuss the handling characteristics you want, your riding style & size and what the bike is capable of with someone in the trade is most helpful.

I did not get the 'full bizzo' done to either of my MVs, but can attest to the virtues of new springs front and rear, and both ends being re-valved with bikes that are older or have a few klms on them.

The level of adjustability of the suspension on a particular bike you are intersted in can also be gathered from reading lots of mag/web reviews.

regards
Thanks Mac, I definitely plan on getting the suspension tuned, might see if the dealership has a suspension tech so it is setup from the get go. I'm no WSBK rider or anything but the roads up here vary a massive amount between brand new smooth mountain roads to gnarly ragged out streets. I was mostly curious about tuning options on the stock suspension because I wasn't able to find much info on it in any of the articles. Everyone seems to just point out the same specs on the MV website. I know I can always go inserts / revalve / new shock but would obviously prefer the stock stuff to be up to the task

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Hi DB , MAC hit the nail on the head . A Professional suspension tune is worth every penny. You will notice the difference immediately . Front suspension upgrade gets the best results over rear suspension upgrade . The best Value in Suspension is NITRON , Ohlins quality or better since they sell there best products to the public. Cost is roughly 70% of Ohlins . Nitron has been competing against Ohlins in F1 for 20 years and have gotten into motorcycle suspension roughly 5 years ago. I had a Superbike team and professional rider so this opinion is his , My riding skills where never good enough to push a modern suspension set up to its limits . We tried all different brands of suspension on my Superbike collection of 12 bikes . I have nothing against OHLINS they do make THE best suspension BUT its unobtainium(cant buy unless WSBK/MotoGP team) Nitron sells its best to the public . You wont be disappointed. FYI ordered NITRONS BEST rear shock with hydrolic preload 980$(they have went up a bit , now 1000/1100$ the shock was at my door in 10 days . Titanium spring , could feel the difference instantly on my 2007 F41000R.
Thanks R,

I actually know the nitron stuff decently well, was looking into them to get the suspension sorted on the FZ (as it is not great out of the box.) Ended up deciding to save pennies for a new bike instead Will definitely be getting a suspension tune since tech's know much much more than I.
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@db_509 Ohlins are not the only good suspension company. The MV RC comes with top level suspension with full adjustability.

Unless you are a top tier pro racer you should be able to adjust it, or have it adjusted, to suit you just fine.
Perfect, this is the information I was looking for. Info online is slim regarding adjustability. I am not a pro level racer by any means but do ride at a "spirited pace" and some of our roads are laughably bad. I will likely take the bike to a couple track days yearly as well. Will plan on getting a suspension tune right out of the gate. Do you own an RC? Do you happen to know what all the tuning options are? Preload, rebound, HSC, etc. etc.

RE: Ohlins, yes I know they aren't the only good ones, I even caveat-ed that in my OP
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