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TV - Which sports/touring tyre

Now that the Pirelli Scorpions that came with the bike are shot what's the consensus on the current best sports touring tyre. Previously a fan of the Michelin PR4 due to balance performance wet or dry, though I'm sure that the competition has long since caught up in that regard.

The only criticism I had about the PR4s was the odd wear characteristics of the front tyre, the shoulders wearing quicker and the profile tending toward triangular. The front OEM Scorpion has seriously gone the same way so maybe it's me and my riding style. Dual compound tyres, not sure about the front Scorpion but I know the PR4 front is, I suppose are designed for a specific mix of straight line and cornering wear and if you don't fit the profile of their average rider then uneven wear is going to happen.

Short list ATM is:

1/ Metzler Roadtec 01
2/ Michelin PR4
3/ Dunlop Roadsmart III
4/ Pirelli Angel GT

Tempted to try the new Metzlers so they are first on the list. Any opinions? Don't want out and out sports tyre as mileage is important. Hoping that replacements last longer than the 2,500 miles the factory fitted tyres have lasted. Does MV's deal with Pirelli result in tyres with less tread depth? OEM fit Bridgestones on the VFR had a BB designation, they had less tread depth than the same tyre without the BB suffix.

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Wow, you must have been riding hard.
I'm at 5,500 and although the rear has started to square off after a lot of high speed motorway miles returning from France, I think I can get another 1,500 miles from the Scorpions.
I had Angel GT on my last bike (Street Triple) and they were really good. Been put off the PR4 by some comments that they aren't that good in the wet - certainly in Wales last year another rider on a Street Triple complained of a few front end slips on wet roads, when the Angel GT's had been fine.
From what I've read I'm inclined to go for the Metzelers.

Also just found this offer for £30 off a pair of Metzelers valid until the end of the month
http://www.metzeler.com/msite/promo/...campaign=fbads

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We were trying to work out why the right shoulder of the front tyre is now bald. Some tread, though not a lot left across centre and left side of front. Rear is pretty evenly worn and maybe good for another 2k. However, mixing a dual sport Pirelli with a sport touring tyre, even an Angel GT, isn't wise IMHO. As a result they'll get changed as a set.

Made it home on the knackered front by avoiding breaking whilst entering right handers and taking it fairly easy as well as riding like James Whitham with lots of upper body movement to keep the bike as upright as possible. Now at round 3000 miles.

Bias to wear on one side can't be down to road cambers and roundabouts as 1000 miles were on UK roads and 1500 on Spanish before we noticed. If anything it should have been marginally the other way.

We concluded that it must have been a tendency to brake deeper into right-handers more than left-handers. Maybe the sight-lines through left-handers being more open so be able to see through them kept me off the brakes. 7 or 8 laps of Silverstone National circuit in mid June probably didn't help much either...



The TV is an awesome bike for the sort of riding that we got up to whilst in Spain. Sharp enough handling to keep up with my mates 996, though he could pull away on the straights due to significantly more grunt, yet comfortable (we swapped bikes for an hour or two and I can't imagine how he managed...) as well be equipped with luggage space.



Thanks for Metzler promotion, will probably order off of motoblouz and get them fitted locally saving that amount off getting them fitted at a dealer.

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I would be tempted by the Michelin PR4s. Had the 3's and they were very good. Just so long as they don't de-laminate, just thinking of Scott Redding in Argentina!

Had Racetec's on my track bike and they were good but not really what you are looking for and totally useless in the wet!

Brilliant pictures of your trip by the way?

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I would be tempted by the Michelin PR4s. Had the 3's and they were very good. Just so long as they don't de-laminate, just thinking of Scott Redding in Argentina!
Thanks Dave

Yes, have had two sets of PR4s preceded by PR3s and I must say that they were superb wet or dry on my VFR. Have also heard good things about the new Metzlers and thought I might give the newer tyre a try as it's had good reviews. The PR4s have been around for a few years now and the fronts did, like the PR3s, wear in an odd way for me. Now I have a finer handling machine, which I'm taking advantage of, this situation could be even worse evidenced by my ruining the front Scorpion in record time.

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Chas,

Out of curiosity, have you played with the suspension settings, and how did you find it across a variety of surfaces in Spain?
I think the forks don't feel particularly plush considering the amount of travel they have (and I'm using), and the rear sometimes felt a bit wallowy on tight bumpy back roads. I've set the sag to what seems reasonable, and have the damping on the sport settings front and rear. Thinking of visiting a suspension specialist for a set-up session.

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Out of curiosity, have you played with the suspension settings, and how did you find it across a variety of surfaces in Spain?
I think the forks don't feel particularly plush considering the amount of travel they have (and I'm using), and the rear sometimes felt a bit wallowy on tight bumpy back roads. I've set the sag to what seems reasonable, and have the damping on the sport settings front and rear. Thinking of visiting a suspension specialist for a set-up session.
I believe yours is the standard Veloce, correct? As I have the Lusso I have a different suspension set-up with a limited range of adjustment (without the app) of only pre-load and then settings via the dash menus for a limited range of load permutations (solo, solo with luggage, with pillion and with pillion and luggage). I found the pre-load on the back too soft and changed this by winding the remote pre-load adjuster all the way out and then 12 clicks in, I increased this when loaded with luggage to 14 clicks. The front I've yet to play with TBH. Suspension on mine worked well for me on the decent Spanish roads, on the few really bad roads (we had 20 odd kilometres of very broken tarmac on one pass) it coped well I thought, especially compared to my friend on his 996 . I was tending to just give it gas over the worst bits to make it float over the holes. Seemed to work quite well and preferable to going slow. Corners were exciting.

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I believe yours is the standard Veloce, correct?
Yes, I could only afford the basic version.

Thanks for pointing out Motoblouz. Was at a local bike workshop where my son was getting some more off-road biased tyres fitted to his V-Strom, and asked about a price for Roadtec-01, was quoted £340 ride in fitted. I said that was expensive, and he asked what price I had seen as he would see if he can match. When I told him the Motoblouz price he said that's less than he can buy them for.
He will fit to loose wheels for £40, so will order online.

How are you getting on with them, guess you haven't had much chance to test the wet weather performance yet?

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How are you getting on with them, guess you haven't had much chance to test the wet weather performance yet?
Have done about 500 miles over the last couple of days. The Roadtecs seem excellent in dry conditions. We had some rain on Friday, it was Wales after all , and they coped well on damp roads without having to wind my neck in too much. Not heavy enough to warrant waterproofs so not really an acid test.

To assess wet weather performance I'd really need a longer period of properly wet weather. Also, IMHO, the feeling of confidence in a tyre's ultimate wet weather capabilities builds over a period of use rather than just an initial impression. That's unless you're willing to throw yourself into it... Also longevity, along with decent levels of grip wet or dry, relatively even wear for my type of use (recreational rather than commuting) and reasonably sharp handling and feel without being too harsh... Not much to ask then...

Will report back as they wear

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Have done about 500 miles over the last couple of days. The Roadtecs seem excellent in dry conditions. We had some rain on Friday, it was Wales after all , and they coped well on damp roads without having to wind my neck in too much. Not heavy enough to warrant waterproofs so not really an acid test.

To assess wet weather performance I'd really need a longer period of properly wet weather. Also, IMHO, the feeling of confidence in a tyre's ultimate wet weather capabilities builds over a period of use rather than just an initial impression. That's unless you're willing to throw yourself into it... Also longevity, along with decent levels of grip wet or dry, relatively even wear for my type of use (recreational rather than commuting) and reasonably sharp handling and feel without being too harsh... Not much to ask then...

Will report back as they wear
I have experienced the same situation with my stock front tyre, albeit not as bad as yours Bumpkin.

So, after 7750 Km (4800 Mi), I decided to change it for a new one (having already changed the rear due to puncture at less than 3000 Km).
I got myself the Pirelli Angel GT, because that's what I bougth back in June to replace the rear.
I have to say, after almost 5000 Km, I find it very good. It inspires a lot of confidence, and I don't feel myself limited by its performance in any way.
Also, for the moment, they haven't shown any significant sign of wear, neither in the center, nor at the sides.
We'll see how it goes now with the complete set.

Having said that, I'm only reading good things about the Roadtec 01, so I think they were a superb choice on your part.
How has your experience been with your tyres lately?
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