Hi,
I recently took my 2014 F3 675 to Rockwell Cycles in Ft. Montgomery, NY (shameless plug :naughty: ) for a software update. They flashed the latest update which was 2.0. I thought to try the quick shift on my down shifts to see if it would work and to my surprise it did. I was under the impression that a new quick shift sensor would be needed for that to work.
Just wondering if others have experienced the same results...
Taking mine to 1000km first service tomorrow. Just finished breaking her in on a road trip this weekend. On mine the blipper does not work either. Will ask the dealer to check for software updates and try it! Great news. Thanks!
A new quick shift sensor is needed. You were just doing clutchless down shifts. Also as far as what MV said that any F3's pre 2015 the ECU's don't even have to capability for that at all. You would need the race ECU and the EAS 2.0 sensor for autoblip on downshift. It would be nice if any dealer on the forum would confirm the confusion with the F3's and the QS.
just have a look, if you already have a 2.0 sensor (written on the sensor!) all you need is an ECU update, otherwise you need a sensor as well... end of story
Come on guys, please take a look at the Tech sheet from MV Agusta's own website. Not even the current F3 has MVICS 2.0, if it had wouldn't they advertise with it. As VaporMV stated, you need the Race ECU or take it down the aftermarket route.
F3
MV EAS (Electronically Assisted Shift)
F3 RC
MV EAS (Electronically Assisted Shift)
B3 800 (2016)
MV EAS 2.0 (Electronically Assisted Shift up & down)
Read what others are saying. MV have been fitting the EAS 2.0 SENSOR to some F3s for a while. Makes sense from a parts supply POV if it's not much more expensive than a one-way sensor.
The ECU in the F3 is the same as the B3, so it's logical to suggest that the blipper function is available, but not active in the F3 firmware. Third parties have reportedly been able to unlock this pretty easily. This suggests that rather than a hardware upgrade to the ECU, MIVCS 2.0 is just different firmware.
So instead of jumping down people's throats with MV spec lists, have a read of what's actually being said.
My QS sensor is not 2.0. When quick shifting down it sounds like the quick shift up with the engine cutting off real quick. It seems to work within certain RPM ranges and feels like the shifter is locked when not within that RPM range. During testing I tried hitting the shifter really hard and it would not shift. I didn't want to bash it too hard out of fear of breaking something.
I am going back to the dealer tomorrow because I lost my back break again even after bleeding the system and moving the rear brake reservoir to the same spot where it is located on newer models so I'll ask the owner of the shop his thoughts on the QS.
On a side note...
Someone mentioned the race ECU. Is that the ECU that comes with the MV aftermarket headers? I was thinking of getting the complete MV exhaust setup.
Firstly if your QS isn't EAS2.0 then you won't have downshifting, it will say so on the QS itself.
Secondly the downshift works by blipping the revs so not the same as quick-upshifting where it cuts the throttle off for an instant.
You as you say are just banging down a gear when it's in a happy rev range to do so, almost like clutchless downshifting but without the rev blipping. Not something I'd continue to do without blipping the revs.
No it is a full race ECU that requires a new wiring harness. It enables all sorts of stuff like pit limiter, auto blip, eliminates the key and headlights and some other stuff I can't remember right now and cost around $1700. http://www.evolutionbike.it/mvagustastore/index.php/racing-parts/stk.html
How many of you are from this planet, and know the difference between guessing and reading some spec sheet, or how it works in real life.
FWIW, you are right most of the time Pascal, including this time.... most guys can't even figure out how to show what bike or year model they have, and adding it to their signature or registry is far too hard.
I do agree that MV should in some way make this easier for people to understand. The 2.0 on the sensor and MVICS 2.0 is a nameing disaster. I would hate it if someone broke there gearbox by thinking they are shifting down the right way or worse blocking your rear tire and crashing.
And makeing it even worse is that when you are gently testing if it works it will work in some cases. If there is no load on the gears it will shift perfectly without the clutch. Lucky because that's the principle i and many others have used for years, even before the autoblipper. The good old manblipper.
I have a 2016 RC 800 2nd series fitted with the latest 2.0 quickshifter.
Please does anybody know where in the UK i could get an aftermarket Re-map to enable my Downshift Autoblip to work.
Thanks
As far as anyone knows there is no way to get the autoblip to work on ANY F3 without changing the ecu to the race ecu. As of right now there is NO software update dealers have to enable it on the F3. The software for any of the models that do have autoblip will not work on the F3. Everyone needs to ask there self why there would be some magical software update at dealers when no F3 (including the newest RC's) has ever left the factory with autoblip. Why distribute a software update to dealers when you don't even have it on the bikes that leave the factory? I don't think there are any aftermarket solutions confirmed to have autoblip with the exception of the factory race ecu.
2 points.
1. My manual says up and downshift works. (It only eorks for up though, regardless of manual).
2. My local dealer is getting race s/w soon, he is supplying 2 bikes to BSB. I will report back.
Especially when you've got an aftermarket pipe. The auto blip is extremely subtle, just enough to release pressure off the gear allowing it to shift. If your all expecting a brumm, brumm, brumm as you shift down your going to be disappointed.
I've got the autoblip feature and still like to do it myself sometimes just for nostalgia and the sheer hell of it
Last year a dealer here in the UK offered me the downblip activating on my F3.
He was charging £500.
I thought this was too expensive and didnt bother taking him up on his offer.
He also runs a UK race team with F3 675 bikes.
I was led to believe its an aftermarket Re-Map and not Factory so presume sombody has managed to break into the ECU.
I think the biggest question here is why would MV decide to give the Brutale and the Turismo Veloce (a soft touring model) the down-shifter feature and yet they don't include this on their best selling Sportsbike model F3...not even the RC.(just slap it with some stickers instead and jack up the price)
It just seems like such a stupid thing for MV to do...give the lower end less sporty models the function which they don't need and lets neglect the one model that actually would put to use the blipper function on track.
I think the biggest question here is why would MV decide to give the Brutale and the Turismo Veloce (a soft touring model) the down-shifter feature and yet they don't include this on their best selling Sportsbike model F3
They probably already had the F3's built based on the old electrics or just a stockpile of the older ECU's etc so they needed to shift all those first (hence the fancy paint job RC's to help shift them quicker )
You watch, I'll bet as soon as they have shifted their latest batch of limited edition RC's they'll bring out a new F3 with the latest ECU and a downshifter/blipper
I was talking to mat in the back and was looking at their race bike just waffling on and he said after riding my bike that to compliment the exhaust I should have what's on the race bike ie titanium down pipe and race ecu , I said I wish lol how much would that set me back £1200 he replied ?? Prob vat on that and fitting on that I'm sure
Yes i know Matt well,and when he asked Alison to price up for them it came back £1200 for the Headers and another £800 for Race ECU plus VAT.
Just a mix up but the extra cost stopped me buying it.
I will probably wait until mines out of warranty and go the aftermarket route
ive a mate racing a F3 800 in Ireland and the TT this year and hes had his ECU done already.
Hi,
I have a F3 675 my2016 (I ordered it on July 2016) and I think that it has the last version of ECU. I wasn't sure that my bike had the quickshift also in down and so I sent an email to MV Agusta. They responded me and they said that my quickshift, because it's the EAS 2.0, works also in down and they confirmed me that there is an error on manual because they describe the quickshift only in up.
Onestly I haven't tried it because my bike has only 400km and I want to wait 1000km.
MV has sent a mail to me saying that before they were wrong, the model my 2015-2016 have only the upshift, and then I think that it is regardless of the version of EAS (1.0 or 2.0).
EAS 1 is nothing more than a analog switch that sends the upshift command to the ECU. EAS 2 Uses different voltages to determine the up / downshift commands from the Quickshifter/ Blipper.
To achieve this the wiring/ECU Pin occupation on a EAS2 bike is different. A good and easy way to determine if your bike is 2.0 capable check the Wiring colors on your Quickshifter connector[3pin, bike side]
If you find a Violett/Black wire on Pin1 your Bike should be EAS2 Capable.
If you find a Orange/Black wire on Pin1 Your bike is EAS1.
Not enirely true RCEE, you can do the "upgrade" to get the violet cable (5V) yourself if you want to...
I'll post pictures and the procedure how to as soon as the snow is gone and test drives are possible again. If you want to do the update now feel free to send me a PM
If it says EAS 1.0 on the sensor you need to modify Pin1 of the quicksensor plug (wiring loom side), get a new sensor (EAS 2.0 or other bidirectional sensor) and an ECU update
if it says EAS 2.0 on your sensor all you need is the ECU update to make the blipper work.
In this moment I think that my F3 (my 16) has all updates installed and I think that respect than F3 (my 17) there is an update of difference that enabled the downshift.
I don't know if it's possibile to have also that ECU update, if it's no possibile I think that there are only two possibility to have the downshift:
1) install a new ECU (for example the original racing ECU -> F3 675 | ACCESSORI RACING | Centralina Racing | MV Agusta)
2) change the original quickshifter with another (for example this -> HM Quickshifter ? HM PLUS SS ? Triple ? MV Agusta )
Re mv Agusta f3 quickshifter up/downshift response from mv Agusta
Here is what mv Agusta themselves have said to clarify up/downshift on the f3 RC latest bike
Thanks for providing the required information.
At the moment the ‘Quick shift system’ option is only active in UP Shift on the model F3 800 RC, and no further updates are currently available.
We kindly advice you to verify with the MV Agusta authorized Dealer if your motorcycle is up to date with the latest map version and then to keep in touch with him, in case a new map update becomes available for your model of MV Agusta the authorized Dealer is in possession of the correct tools and information to install it on your vehicle at the first useful occasion.
We therefore inform you that for the model F3 800 RC has been developed a 'Titanium exhaust sport kit' which enables the function 'Quick shift Up&down' in 'Sport' and 'Custom' maps.
For further information about availability and costs we kindly advice you to directly contact an MV Agusta authorized Dealer of your choice who will assist you either during the purchase and the installation procedure.
In case of further needs please don’t hesitate to contact us.
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