F3 800 track use question: issues with shifting (to 4th gear)? - Page 5 - MVAgusta.net
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post #41 of 47 (permalink) Old 07-22-2019, 11:39 AM Thread Starter
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Sometimes, I'm still struggling to shift speed between 3 and 4 at full load, I'm going to test with different cut-time with EcuStudio but I'm surprised at the differences in cut-time between a F3 800 MY2013 and a F3 800 MY2015 much shorter on a MY2015, a pity not to have the cut-off times in milliseconds, to what corresponds the value 5 for example?
I may be doing a test with the values of a 2015 on my 2013, it's the same gearbox.
I will keep you informed of my results…



On the F3 800 MY2018 he has only the table gear vs torque, no table gear vs rpm ...
I think that the table gear vs. torque is more important.

I am not a ECO Studio user yet but I intend to buy it to get a good race mapping and auto-blipper.

So I had a good look at these screenshots.
To me these tables are a bit confusing / not logical.
I would expect a table with gear vs rpm and a killtime per cell in milliseconds.

What is the Raw - Raw table? Is it the auto-blipper killtime?

I hope Arron (dansoarr) can clarify?

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post #42 of 47 (permalink) Old 07-25-2019, 12:32 PM
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I am not a ECO Studio user yet but I intend to buy it to get a good race mapping and auto-blipper.

So I had a good look at these screenshots.
To me these tables are a bit confusing / not logical.
I would expect a table with gear vs rpm and a killtime per cell in milliseconds.

What is the Raw - Raw table? Is it the auto-blipper killtime?

I hope Arron (dansoarr) can clarify?
I activated the blipper on my F3 MY2013, I have no problem with it, the values of my scrennshots are only for the shifter.

I don't have a lazy foot, I made a lot of different settings at the speed selector, I remove and control the gearbox, I put a Lightech rearsets and the problem is still there by moment, not all the time and only about between 11000 and 13000 rpm to 10000 rmp between the 3 and the 4 no problem …

I am doing a cut-times test right now but I too would have been prefer milliseconds values because normally the cut-times value should be around 60 milliseconds, what are the table numbers at milliseconds?
Changing the values is good but when is there a risk for the gearbox?
After why some MV have this problem and others not?
Me I have a F3 MY2013 but "Cherche" had the problem on a Brutale MY2018 !!!
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I am not a ECO Studio user yet but I intend to buy it to get a good race mapping and auto-blipper.

So I had a good look at these screenshots.
To me these tables are a bit confusing / not logical.
I would expect a table with gear vs rpm and a killtime per cell in milliseconds.

What is the Raw - Raw table? Is it the auto-blipper killtime?

I hope Arron (dansoarr) can clarify?
I'll look at the f3 tables shortly I'm stuck at Frankfurt airport at the moment.

hi to all our German owners, time for beer and sausages. I know its a stereotype but stereotypes are valid first-order approximations.

Don't forget the Eldor is load based, so it makes perfect sense to base the kill or cut time on the engine load not RPM. For me the shifts when at lower loads are far better than with an RPM based system

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I am not a ECO Studio user yet but I intend to buy it to get a good race mapping and auto-blipper.

So I had a good look at these screenshots.
To me these tables are a bit confusing / not logical.
I would expect a table with gear vs rpm and a killtime per cell in milliseconds.

What is the Raw - Raw table? Is it the auto-blipper killtime?

I hope Arron (dansoarr) can clarify?
I'll look at the f3 tables shortly I'm stuck at Frankfurt airport at the moment.

hi to all our German owners, time for beer and sausages. I know its a stereotype but stereotypes are valid first-order approximations.


Don't forget the Eldor is load based, so it makes perfect sense to base the kill or cut time on the engine load not RPM. For me the shifts when at lower loads are far better than with an RPM based system. I would like a little more granularity on the values, but the Eldor ECU has its limits.
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The tables on newer MVs only have load vs cut time tables, no rpm vs cut time.


This is you have to work on.


Had no probs in the Italian Alps with shifting after dobleing the value of cut time vs load (value 2 to 4 >75 % load)

Changed all the other table of the QS, will have to check it out.

Did not ride my bike here after holidays in Italy, 38 °C here today (102° F)

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It's a small world, I work a lot in Hamburg and Freiburg. Flight delays are part of life, there are worse places to be delayed.

I've modified my tables for load significantly, as I use the QS and blipper at low speeds and loads.

As you say, if you experiment it works very well.

As for the temperature in Europe at the moment, I'm not using the bike in this weather, too hot.

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As for the temperature in Europe at the moment, I'm not using the bike in this weather, too hot.

Right on. Anything below 70 km/h had me cooked yesterday. And that was in just a t-shirt...

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