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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 07-18-2016, 08:26 AM Thread Starter
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On track, F3 speeds vs. liters?

So within probably 2 years (really planning pretty far out here), I'm hoping to move up to some larger tracks, specifically COTA. My main concern here is that on the long straight at this track, if I'm in a session with liter bikes I may be unable to keep up or at least what I'm seeing currently in how quick the bigger bikes can get moving.

I sort of chalk this up to experience needed in keeping corner speeds up, especially getting on the throttle earlier when in the turn. In a sense learning what riders on 250s have to do.

Anyway my question here for more experienced guys, can your track modded F3 keep up with the liters on the straights when they open up? Any tips you could share?
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Then don't worry about what the liter bikes are doing...just improve your skill incrementally each lap. Carry as much corner speed as you comfortably can and the next thing you know, the liter bikes will be slowing you down.

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If your just doing track days then it won't matter. They'll run 250's alongside 1000's if they're in the same skill level class (Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced). Keep a consistent line out of the corners into the straights and faster guys will find a safe way around you. Don't worry about what's happening behind you, run your rhythm and focus on your technique.


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The F3 does okay against the big bikes. But don't think for a minute that it will accelerate like a new R1 or Panigale, doesn't happen. The F3's I've seen and ridden with on track run out of steam in the 160's but get there quickly. Don't worry it isn't anything to lose sleep over. The GPS on my F3 says it gets to 168-169 on top when I get a draft. Usually makes 163-164 without draft help.

Haven't ever seen 170 on any track with the F3, but I'm an old fat bastard so a smaller rider would likely get a bit higher numbers. The speedometer say the bike goes much faster but it's some way off at those speeds compared to very accurate GPS actual speeds.

Still you can always tell your mates it goes 170/180 something if you chose to, but the reality is it probably doesn't. At least mine doesn't it is a very fast F3. Cheers!
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Depends on what is more important to you, riding whatever you have to the best you can or keeping up with/having the same bragging rights your mates on bigger bikes? If it's the latter an F3 will always lose out on the straights. Combine that with the advanced TC and stability control of the new bikes and you'll be behind. Ride better and with more skill and you'll keep up to a point.

On a wet trackday this year my friend on his Race Minitwin SV650 consistently out classed 95% of the field round a wet Brands Hatch. Including some very advanced litre bikes. Even when it dried out the only go him on the straights, just to be out braked and out cornered by him.

Granted same skill level and they would have been away, but it goes to show that just because you have a bigger bike and more cash, doesn't necessarily make you faster. That said you may have the skills to warrant a bigger bike.

But in the pits their bikes definitely looked better and "R1/S1000" sounds better than SV650 when telling people what bike you have.
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Thanks everyone. At this point, no, I don't consider myself to have the skills to warrant a necessity of purchasing a larger bike right now. I was mainly curious that if in the future my skills increased enough, could I conceivably push the F3 harder to the point that it might possibly keep up with liters on the straights, so that answered my question.

I do agree though that based on my riding, mine gets up to 140-150 quickly, but then pushing beyond that it takes a little extra time.
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Thanks everyone. At this point, no, I don't consider myself to have the skills to warrant a necessity of purchasing a larger bike right now. I was mainly curious that if in the future my skills increased enough, could I conceivably push the F3 harder to the point that it might possibly keep up with liters on the straights, so that answered my question.

I do agree though that based on my riding, mine gets up to 140-150 quickly, but then pushing beyond that it takes a little extra time.
Previously I would say learn to get round the corners faster, but with the computer controlled weapons available that make slow riders fast and average rider, very fast, you will struggle to keep up.

A mate who purchased an S1000RR after 3 months of riding and 3 track days admits to just tipping in and banging the throttle open and letting the bike sort it out. No hanging off, no knee down. Right onto the edge of the tyre.

Can I catch him on a GSX-R 600, just about, pass no way and come the straight he's off. That said he got told by the instructor at Almeria that if he carried on doing that he would have a big off.

But as I said before, depends on why you are riding? To be the fastest or to be the fastest you can be?
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Console yourself with the thought that the litre bikes may be faster but you're having more fun.....
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