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Way back to a much earlier question, put to me directly:

No .. It has been proven many times over by both calculations, predictions and actual "lifecycle" measurements of decommisioned wind-generators -- They produce FAR more electrical energy than they will ever consume in both construction, maintenance and decommisioning. I do not remember the actual numbers, but I seem to remember the Danish institute of Technlogy doing a study that showed that even 1. generation commercial wind-generators had a Carbon footprint around 1000 times smaller than the lifetime production of electrical energy output CO2 equivalent, if produced by burning Coal.

There are no two ways about it -- the way forward is a combination of renewable energy sources and NON fossil fuels (Like Radioactive isotopes) With modern technology it is perfctly possible to use Fission-based energy plants with a more than acceptable level of safety, and low production of radioactive waste that needs long term storage. (Google "Seaborg Technologies" ) --- However Nuclear technologies ARE not politically correct in a lot of the really energy-consuming societies, its much easier to tell the countries with an emerging industrialization thet THEY can NOT do like the rich countries did ..
Usually countries with high levels of Earthquake and volcanic activity, can make use of geothermal energy, to replace Nuclear fission -- Iceland is a prime example .. But not all places are that lucky -- Hydro power facilities often damage, deface or ruin places of great natural beauty- Then you will have people or organizations (Usually consisting of members from already "well off" countries) coming to the "rescue" of these "Places we must preserve for the world" -- Brazils use of clearing and burning the Amazon rainforest to produce their own Ethanol-fuel for their cars is a prime example.

I do not believe that we will succeed in curbing global warming -- that train has left the station a decade ago .... All we may be able to do is mitigate the effects, but even that will take steps that may prove politically impossible -- We in the western world are the only ones who CAN turn our insane energy consumption down, but none of us will go without our daily shower or cycle 20 miles to work ... Not gonna happen until we are forced to ..

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Way back to a much earlier question, put to me directly:

No .. It has been proven many times over by both calculations, predictions and actual "lifecycle" measurements of decommisioned wind-generators -- They produce FAR more electrical energy than they will ever consume in both construction, maintenance and decommisioning. I do not remember the actual numbers, but I seem to remember the Danish institute of Technlogy doing a study that showed that even 1. generation commercial wind-generators had a Carbon footprint around 1000 times smaller than the lifetime production of electrical energy output CO2 equivalent, if produced by burning Coal.

There are no two ways about it -- the way forward is a combination of renewable energy sources and NON fossil fuels (Like Radioactive isotopes) With modern technology it is perfctly possible to use Fission-based energy plants with a more than acceptable level of safety, and low production of radioactive waste that needs long term storage. (Google "Seaborg Technologies" ) --- However Nuclear technologies ARE not politically correct in a lot of the really energy-consuming societies, its much easier to tell the countries with an emerging industrialization thet THEY can NOT do like the rich countries did ..
Usually countries with high levels of Earthquake and volcanic activity, can make use of geothermal energy, to replace Nuclear fission -- Iceland is a prime example .. But not all places are that lucky -- Hydro power facilities often damage, deface or ruin places of great natural beauty- Then you will have people or organizations (Usually consisting of members from already "well off" countries) coming to the "rescue" of these "Places we must preserve for the world" -- Brazils use of clearing and burning the Amazon rainforest to produce their own Ethanol-fuel for their cars is a prime example.

I do not believe that we will succeed in curbing global warming -- that train has left the station a decade ago .... All we may be able to do is mitigate the effects, but even that will take steps that may prove politically impossible -- We in the western world are the only ones who CAN turn our insane energy consumption down, but none of us will go without our daily shower or cycle 20 miles to work ... Not gonna happen until we are forced to ..
Carbon fiber/composites are used to make the blades. Once they exceed their lifespan the materials are being thought of as a new resource to use as repurposed and/or raw material to create other products/systems. The carbon footprint is further reduced as inventiveness continues towards more thoughful uses.

https://www.compositesworld.com/news...10%2f18%2f2019

CARBON FIBER ITALIAN MOTO PROJECT
https://www.carboniemetalli.com/the-lunar-project

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Way back to a much earlier question, put to me directly:

No .. It has been proven many times over by both calculations, predictions and actual "lifecycle" measurements of decommisioned wind-generators -- They produce FAR more electrical energy than they will ever consume in both construction, maintenance and decommisioning. I do not remember the actual numbers, but I seem to remember the Danish institute of Technlogy doing a study that showed that even 1. generation commercial wind-generators had a Carbon footprint around 1000 times smaller than the lifetime production of electrical energy output CO2 equivalent, if produced by burning Coal.

There are no two ways about it -- the way forward is a combination of renewable energy sources and NON fossil fuels (Like Radioactive isotopes) With modern technology it is perfctly possible to use Fission-based energy plants with a more than acceptable level of safety, and low production of radioactive waste that needs long term storage. (Google "Seaborg Technologies" ) --- However Nuclear technologies ARE not politically correct in a lot of the really energy-consuming societies, its much easier to tell the countries with an emerging industrialization thet THEY can NOT do like the rich countries did ..
Usually countries with high levels of Earthquake and volcanic activity, can make use of geothermal energy, to replace Nuclear fission -- Iceland is a prime example .. But not all places are that lucky -- Hydro power facilities often damage, deface or ruin places of great natural beauty- Then you will have people or organizations (Usually consisting of members from already "well off" countries) coming to the "rescue" of these "Places we must preserve for the world" -- Brazils use of clearing and burning the Amazon rainforest to produce their own Ethanol-fuel for their cars is a prime example.

I do not believe that we will succeed in curbing global warming -- that train has left the station a decade ago .... All we may be able to do is mitigate the effects, but even that will take steps that may prove politically impossible -- We in the western world are the only ones who CAN turn our insane energy consumption down, but none of us will go without our daily shower or cycle 20 miles to work ... Not gonna happen until we are forced to ..
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Carbon fiber/composites are used to make the blades. Once they exceed their lifespan the materials are being thought of as a new resource to use as repurposed and/or raw material to create other products/systems. The carbon footprint is further reduced as inventiveness continues towards more thoughful uses.

https://www.compositesworld.com/news...10%2f18%2f2019

CARBON FIBER ITALIAN MOTO PROJECT
https://www.carboniemetalli.com/the-lunar-project
Thanks guys. Good info to know.

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Way back to a much earlier question, put to me directly: No .. It has been proven many times over by both calculations, predictions and actual "lifecycle" measurements of decommisioned wind-generators -- They produce FAR more electrical energy than they will ever consume in both construction, maintenance and decommisioning. I do not remember the actual numbers, but I seem to remember the Danish institute of Technlogy doing a study that showed that even 1. generation commercial wind-generators had a Carbon footprint around 1000 times smaller than the lifetime production of electrical energy output CO2 equivalent, if produced by burning Coal. There are no two ways about it -- the way forward is a combination of renewable energy sources and NON fossil fuels (Like Radioactive isotopes) With modern technology it is perfctly possible to use Fission-based energy plants with a more than acceptable level of safety, and low production of radioactive waste that needs long term storage. (Google "Seaborg Technologies" ) --- However Nuclear technologies ARE not politically correct in a lot of the really energy-consuming societies, its much easier to tell the countries with an emerging industrialization thet THEY can NOT do like the rich countries did ..
Usually countries with high levels of Earthquake and volcanic activity, can make use of geothermal energy, to replace Nuclear fission -- Iceland is a prime example .. But not all places are that lucky -- Hydro power facilities often damage, deface or ruin places of great natural beauty- Then you will have people or organizations (Usually consisting of members from already "well off" countries) coming to the "rescue" of these "Places we must preserve for the world" -- Brazils use of clearing and burning the Amazon rainforest to produce their own Ethanol-fuel for their cars is a prime example.

I do not believe that we will succeed in curbing global warming -- that train has left the station a decade ago .... All we may be able to do is mitigate the effects, but even that will take steps that may prove politically impossible -- We in the western world are the only ones who CAN turn our insane energy consumption down, but none of us will go without our daily shower or cycle 20 miles to work ... Not gonna happen until we are forced to ..
There is not much time, although how much we have to avoid the worst of global warming is unclear. I have a more optimistic outlook than you, depending on the next few years and the occurrence of some events, many of which I concede, do not currently seem certain. Unfortunately, right wingers take it as an article of faith that being conservative means being anti-green, at least in English speaking countries. The exception to that rule was Margaret Thatcher. This completely unnecessary idelogical/cultural divide is sucking up a lot of time and energy on posturing, or what Groucho Marx would call 'choosing up sides'.


International leadership is lacking, and I suspect we both agree why. One can only hope that the US elects a govt in 2020 that will start a real conversation about global warming. A price on carbon, either a tax or an emissions trading scheme to start. It is amazing what having to consider the issue does to people's behaviour. And then the social change occurrs, hopefuly. An example is tobacco advertsing and price in Australia, the habit went from being more or less compulsory to smokers being an endangered species, literally.


If the US can not provide leadership then the UK, EU, China and Japan will need to set the pace. Can and will they? I am more concerned about bio-diversity loss and extinction than global warming, fixing the former will also fix the latter, but not necessarily the other way around. We may still end up with a liveable planet but a mono-culture in many places. I know a forester who told me that the pine forests, and a native pine, that had been planted where there was a eucalyptus forest had no discernible life, not even a spider, for years.


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